80% of the public support on-shore wind farms apparently
Survey source: a windfarm business
In that case the following statement is as true as yours
There will be no significant impact to the station as the time onsite, duration, distance and prevailing winds mean no measurements will be compromised and assertions indicating otherwise don't hold water.
They be the ones in Father Collins Park that never worked and were a complete waste of money - sums up the entire wind racket that your type feel we should continue to indulge at the expense of energy users and rural communties
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/blow-for-council-as-wind-power-fails-to-light-up-20m-park-29709815.html
Developers r sitting on 40k permissions in Dublin alone so your analysis does not correspond to the real world and is just a lazy parroting of lazy corporate hacks.
PS: It would also be usefull to educate yourself on grid energy pricing when it comes to having it dependent on an unreliable and variable energy source like wind. As I have pointed out several times already in this thread in relation to energy costs here and the likes of Germany etc.
How is it at the expense of rural communities though? Would you be opposed to a road being built near you which would be far noisier and polluting?
Using your own words
Don't be silly
I said no because we're already saturated with them down where I am and I'm not sure on the env impact.
Is it true these things have a very short lifespan and leave a ton of plastic behind? And require a huge amount of concrete to stabilize them?
I am genuinely looking for answers to those questions. How do they compare to offshore farms in terms of longevity and waste?
Also are we just putting them up to feed more data centers?
Developers in Dublin have zero relevance to the conversation, so maybe stop "lazy parroting of corporate hacks" please
Any sort of construction across Ireland, but especially in the countryside, has a load of locals rejecting it for multiple reasons and I have no idea how you are not aware of this. This included people complaining about a solar PV setup in meath because they said it would increase the risk of flooding including other complaints. You can try work that out yourself
It would be useful not to make assumptions about other posters on the internet, you have rambled on about "white elephants" and all sort of rubbish without any real useful information.
In terms of renewals, its a balance of renewals all grids need. Not just wind or solar. That includes multiples sources like wind, solar, hydro, methane etc etc. It's not a quick answer either.
But running around waving hands in air at any attempt to move toward renewables isn't the answer either.
https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2022/09/02/650-acre-solar-farm-plan-approval/
These are all valid concerns from people who actually live near these sites, as we do. Take away the subsidies to build these and I doubt if they'd have been inflicted here.
concrete and plastic are valid concerns? seriously? how do you cope with new houses being built and plastic in supermarkets? you have houses and supermarkets in rural ireland as far as i know
I'm only looking for answers here not trying to cause a stir.
It's such a contentious issue I find it hard to get a true sense.
From what I can gather the lifespan of these turbines is only about 25 years.
The blades are about 50 meters but it does seem advancements are being made in making these reusable.
The concrete bases required for such huge structures are massive. And I think digging up that soil and producing so much concrete has quite a c02 cost.
I appreciate that wind energy has to be part of moving to renewable, I think it's legitimate to ask what's the best way to do it.
yeah sure there are drawbacks, but look at the damage oil and gas do to the land and atmosphere. fracking, oil spills, and our old friend climate change. i suppose it's about the least worst options.
I appreciate that, but there's a lot of greenwashing out there. I don't think these are as clean as they are made out and I'm asking really are offshore cleaner?
If we do need to bring it more windfarms I think it's important it's done properly. There have been reports from the states where the company gets the subsidies folds and then these are left to rot.
There is a huge amount of concrete involved which has a significant c02 cost. What steps are being taken to ensure these giant bases will be reused as much as possible?
Just to point out that while I voted no, it's only because there's an awful lot of windfarms in my area already.
I think there's a place for wind energy but it has to be done properly. It's not a magic bullet.
windfarms are not the reason concrete is destroying the earth though
Not alone, but there is a considerable amount used and it seems for a short period. Concrete in a bridge might last 200 years, for turbines it could be 25.
The figures here suggest 20-30 truckloads per base. I've seen figures suggesting up to 60. I'm guessing in the wet irish lands these are often placed it will be at the higher end of the scale.
Say for the ten turbines on the hills across from me, taking a figure of 30 truckloads per turbine, and replacing every 25 years, in 250 years there'll be 7,500 truck loads of concrete gone up on those hills alone.
These bases are absolutely huge. These are big, big structures they have to support and take the wind force of.
I appreciate there are efforts to reuse the bases to some degree, but are we enforcing that if handing subsidies out to companies that might not be around in 20 years?
you need concrete for offshore wind turbines too. there are no power sources available to ireland currently that wont require some kind of environmental impact and the capitalist model is to keep growing the economy and everything else i'm afraid.
Agreed, I think newer offshore tech can have a even lower c02 cost though.
Again I appreciate it needs to be taken into consideration that all wind energy is a lot cleaner than fossil fuels.
I just think we need to be careful we do this right, not just hand out contracts to fly by night firms. But that's probably wishful thinking.
So you supporting gouging sensitive habitats like peatlands, pouring thousands of tonnes of concrete and chippings over them to build these white elephants?? How very green of you...
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2022/07/24/company-fined-e1500-over-bog-slide-at-donegal-wind-farm/
This is what happens when you rush ahead with developer led planning and ignore various long standing EU Directives Ecology Data etc. As for the developers concerned, good enough for them as they have been repeatedly warned by the likes of BWI, Fair Seas etc. that the likes of Sand Banks off the Leinster Coast are key seabird feeding and fish spawning grounds that are totally unsuitable for such invasive development
i do yeah, we need power from somewhere and it's cleaner than oil. sure you rural lot love destroying peatlands anyway as its your birthright or something.
This was asked before and was unanswered. What about the destruction of peatland and building of power stations for peat stations for decades? Add to that the air pollution they created. Then you have locals still gouging the bugs for poor efficiency fuel.
That was one specific case
You need to think of the bigger picture. Yes they need to install a base, but then again burning millions of tonnes of turf went on for years in Ireland, even when they tried to ban home burning of turf people lost the plot.
2003 Derrybrien landslide
It was focused around turbine 68 in the Derrybrien wind farm, and disrupted further construction. The landslide dislodged 450,000 cubic metres of peat.
https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.independent.ie/regionals/kerryman/news/kerry-councillor-calls-for-a-halt-on-wind-turbines-after-north-kerry-bog-slide-41915041.html&ved=2ahUKEwjjgoXclLT9AhWTQ0EAHTblCjYQFnoECDAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Z2vqwefAL6-77dyPOVa2q
The bog slide in Co Kerry on Monday 15th occurred at Ballincollig Hill wind farm and appears to have started in close proximity to one of the turbines. The bog slide appears to be at the same location as the bog slide in 2010.
There's another 3
Not disagreeing but there are many more sites for turbines besides bogs.
Several other incidences like the Derrybrein Disaster etc. - and these gougers are still trying to build them in similar locations
Pity it needs to be backed so much by the likes of Fossil then isn't it?? Your logic is even more bizarre when you consider the natural carbon storage potential of these peatlands
Nope. It and nuclear are on the verge of being excluded. Still to be seen whether they get included. Legal challenges are underway which may decide it
we are dependent on imports for gas though, we need our own energy sources
Peat was a longtime source and ironically the shortfall in dispatchable power is by a hair's width within the capacity of the closed peat plants, we should harvest and heat ourselves from it
That bad and should be reviewed but it doesn't take away from all the good wind turbine farms
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