80% of the public support on-shore wind farms apparently
Survey source: a windfarm business
Yes I would.
Petro heads can push out their faux excuses.
So basically the figure of 80% supporting wind farm construction locally is BS?? As I said I have no problem with the Gas terminal operating over the road from my place in North Mayo as it fulfills a usefull role. White elephants masquarading as Greenwash r quiet different. Again your type don't seem to realise that all this greenwash has to be backed up by conventional power sources, alot of which will be nuclear coming in from the UK and France
”your type” “greenwash”
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TMK the decommissioning funding of turbines is bonded at build stage. But then the truth never slowed a rant.
I would support all of our electricity coming from wind farms however that is impossible due to the fact there are weeks where we don’t have wind to power those turbines.
So until mass grid storage is proven at grid level anywhere in the world (at the moment it’s not) we are dependent on fossil fuels to get us through.
Arguably the most important atmospheric observatory in western Europe is less than 10km downwind of the proposed windfarm, with much of the research there supported by government funding. It's ironic that the department (DCCAE) and minister supporting climate change research is also pushing for an offshore windfarm that will force the primary climate/atmospheric research site in the country to move, presumably at some significant cost to the taxpayer.
Why would it need to move?
so 8 days later the boards survey tracks the articles survey pretty much on line 78% to 22%
Yup. The same survey on reddit had something like 400 for, 40 against, so 90% approval, or something like that
It looks like the OP didn't get the answer they wanted so has jumped ship :-)
Not having a go at you, but is that your opinion or is there something (research or analysis) that backs that up.
I understand the significance of the station, but it doesn't make sense to me that what you say would be an issue so I want to understand it better. Like we're talking about wind turbines, not coal plants.
I mean, if the station at Mace Head can deal with farmers fires a few hundred yards away, I am sure it could deal with wind turbines 10km away
But maybe I'm missing something so if you have further info, I'd appreciate taking a look
I sincerely don't believe that is a good enough reason to not develop and facilitate improvements in your energy problem.
Arguing that a windfarm is interfering with the analysis of local weather, is clutching at straws, it is feeble speculation that can only have been contrived from the mind of somebody who is incapable of counting the woods from the trees?
Your concocted evaluation is implausible. Surely the rotations of any wind turbine would be indicative of current weather conditions? Your argument that air disturbance, generated by a turbine, is interfering with the measurement of the very air that propels it, is patronising? It is scientifically impossible in theory and exposes a lack of understanding that is surely motivated by an irrational bias?
Yet in small communities up and down the country directly affected, the vast majority don't want these White Elephants
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/members-of-the-oireachtas-among-objectors-to-clare-wind-farm-674632
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40231559.html
Easy to ignore such realities sat behind a keyboard in an urban area that will never have to deal with the issue
No from me.
I live in a built up residential area.
1) there would literally be nowhere to build such a large and prodigious utility. No available space.
2) the noise pollution given off by a single wind turbine is seriously significant. A whole wind farm is not practical for any residential area…
It seems you don't know what "white elephant" means....
That's such a ridiculous take. Us progressive suave urbanites live beside far noisier stuff than windmills ffs. You know like busy roads, blocks of apartments, airports, flight paths, shopping centres etc. Do you really think a few windmills nearby would bother us? We're not quite as sensitive as you lot. I'd quite like some on the green areas close to my house as the grassy areas not used for sports are just lying idle. There are actually a couple of them not far from my house in Dublin in Donaghmede direction but they never seem to be turning so I'm not sure they were ever in use or not.
Cheers for that but there's nothing in your post or links that shows why turbines 10km away would force the station to move.
I get the purpose of the station and why its located where it is but there is no evidence to show that turbines 10km away would have any impact. Maybe there will be, I've no idea, but nothing you posted shows this beyond your opinion. Nothing wrong with that in the least, just I was looking for reports/studies etc.
As for the construction shipping, its a coastline, there's always shipping.
You said 10km, I was going off that. If its less, fair enough.
As for shipping, have you any information on the level of heavy shipping in this area, say within 10 or 15km of the shore?
Wouldn't have a fiddlers. I guess you could look at the likes of Marinewatch.com etc but those are dependent on dates/times/weather.
You can also use something like the link below, but its for 2004 data and generalised
Unfortunately in Ireland the locals object to everything. No matter if it is good or bad for the area.
It's like the people who put in objections to every housing project, then a few years later are complaining because no houses are available in the area for little Jonnie to buy.
Im sure the same people who objected to all these turbines are now complaining about the price of electricity and telling the government they "have to do something about it"
It isn't clutching at straws, there is a study to document how wind turbines cause localised warming effects, and to be fair - nocturnal warming is by far the largest slice of the increased temperatures we have seen in Ireland over the past few decades. Adding to this warming even via green technology needs to be properly assessed as to whether this marine based windfarm will effect nearby coastal areas.
Study: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/728/texas-wind-farm-affects-land-temperature/
That's all movements with ais ,I am guessing that the majority in that area are smaller boats
Not trying to be smart but what energy sources do you suggest if wind turbines cause environmental issues?
Wasn't replying to promote any energy source as all plants built and designed will have some sort of environmental impact regardless of their green credentials or lack there of. There was a claim above that wind turbines having an effect on local weather was "feeble speculation that can only have been contrived from the mind of somebody who is incapable of counting the woods from the trees" and I merely pointed out that there was a peer-reviewed study done by a very reputable organisation showing that turbines do, indeed, cause some warming of the climate - in particular nocturnal warming. Nocturnal warming is an increasing concern as it causes more health impacts because the body needs cool down time to assist coping during heatwaves.
Ok, so still very much the lesser evil.
Is it very much though? 0.72c per decade as per the study is quite a jump when compared to the 1.18c increase over 17 decades since 1850 which global warming measurements are taken from. If overall global warming was at 0.72c per decade since 1850 we in Ireland would have a climate today like Morocco! 😮
Ok. So we shut down all sources of energy. Will that suit? Or have you an alternative?
That's quite a leap there good sir! As I've said above, no sources of energy are without some level of environmental impacts and that is just the way it is. There is no getting away from that - to re-affirm why I posted in this thread: there was a claim made that wind turbines affecting a nearby weather station was feeble speculation. I provided a study, which unfortunately doesn't bring comfort to some in their arguments on this thread.
You assess enough of everything and all that remains is information manipulated by cretins with their futile agendas.
Finding an issue such as local atmospheric heating is absolute hogwash, stop wasting your energy for starters. Find something useful to convolute and disrupt.
Good to see stuff like this being studied.
Only issue I'd have is the scope of that one is tiny.
Here's one with 319 wind farms spread all over the US looking at the same issue and was published last year
It identified a similar temperature increase and also came to the same conclusion
Our analyses based on a large sample of wind farms in the US revealed the prominent warming effects of wind farms at night but undetectable effects during the day time.
These studies don't look at offshore turbines though so that's a significant difference.
Either way, it would have little impact on the station as the original concern was in relation to air quality due to it being a GAW station.
Variations to temp in terms of monitoring is not as much of an issue as weather stations are all over the place. GAW stations, on the other hand, are few and far between at a global level.
Maybe the lads at Mace Head could author a paper studying the same topic but focused on the offshore wind factor. It would be the first paper of its type as far as I could tell
Sure they are trying to bypass every planning law to expedite this pink elephant,they are hardly going to allow studies unless they control it,I answered a survey yesterday,tick boxes though no suitable answeres, manipulation reminds me of when the greens brought in cheaper tax for diesels ,it will end up similar, the party obliterated as a nation wonders how they were so easily conned .
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