Is EBY generally used on heifers or is he used on cows too?
its half and half, cows and heifers, he’s heading for twelve years old now.
Thanks, another stupid question.
Would a general rule of thumb be don't breed your replacements from a heifer? i.e don't breed and easy calver off an easy calver? Calves from heifers go for slaughter and the cows produce the replacements? Would that be right?
All depends on the calf. I've kept few replacements of heifers over the years. You might never get a heifer again of her which I've had happen
You want a cow to have good calving ability, pelvis area, width at hips etc. Sometimes easier calving bulls can leave daughters who are lacking in this area. Like you mentioned sometimes a cow may have only 1 Heifer. There’s lots to think about when selecting a bull
I see they cloned a horse from skin cells in Monaghan, Pacino II.
Horse cloned from skin cells of showjumping stallion (rte.ie)
If you could pick a bull to clone, what would you choose?
That's what I was saying, that you're almost reducing the quality of your herd if you were to keep an easy calver as a replacement as she'd probably be smaller than a bigger calf off a cow and wouldn't produce as big a calf ?
Rio
Personally I’d rather short gestation than easy calving. We’d a JSS heifer calve a CWI bull at 9 months + 7 days from service. Once there was a cow calve at 10 months from service (bloody monster)
Sympa 😎
Salers would be an exception to this, they’re very easy calved but Saler cows usually have excellent calving ability.
Its not always true with other breeds anyway, i’ve had On-Dit and Pirate cows here which were well able to calve but were easy calved bulls themselves.
Angus good calvers? Know a lad who had a good few Angus cows and seems happy enough with them.
Is easy calving a trait of the Salers?
I bought a heifer last year in calf to EBY and her time was up on paddy’s day…she calved on the 2nd of April and it was a caesarean, the calf was huge but lived, iv been wary of putting him on heifers since but that’s just my own experience. The cow was a blue limo cross
I'd clone dbz & fl22
I've rio and edj nin mzt & mbu left in the pot.....sucker for old school stuff
When I was a kid we used toe alot- no figures that time but I remember him easy calving & the bullocks killed out well
Swings and roundabouts. If you’ve a cow with real easy calving breeding She mightn’t have the width but she’s not going to have a big dog of a calf either.
whereas if you’ve Simmental and Charolais cows or whatever they’ll be better calvers. But more likely to have a bigger calf at same time
Saler bull is the job on bluex heifers, chane of a nice roan too.
I presume you mean TON? He left lovely heifers too. Bova had some smashing Limousin bulls about 15 years ago. Rocky bred nice stock too.
Actually ya litron was a lovely sound bull. Made for lovely cows.
I’ve seen heifers of easy calving bulls having to be sectioned for small calves as they hadn’t the width for the calf to come out.
Salers have the biggest pelvic area of all breeds, how well that translates to SalerX cattle I don't know but it seems using BB and Char bulls on pedigree Salers is becoming popular as they pop the calves out. I purposely bough a pedigree cow to try this, used the BB bull EKB on her, no issues calving this year so will try more extreme muscle bulls going forward
Thanks!
What's the significance of a pedigree cow? Is it that they have the traits more strongly of that breed than a cross? So your pedigree Saler would have bigger pelvis than say a Saler cow that came from a Saler bull?
I assume if you used a Saler bull that would produce a pedigree bull/heifer? Would all pedigree calves be c section?
GHX. Never got a chance to really put his stamp on things as he was culled due to the IBR outbreak in Enfeild. Think they only got 4 or 5 jumps off him.
IS4. Most underrated Simmental ever IMO.
EDJ, Bred some serious calves and he was easy calved too. We even used him on heifers at the time
great bull!
Yeah TON I ment
Have a few moondarrig knell calves this year, nice width on them off the beefy cows
I have a rather unpopular opinion, at least in my region. I don't want to use alot of easy calving bulls. I have a wide range of bulls in my tank. There are just few, which would be very easy calving. I try to improve calving ability in the herd, so try to avoid stacking easy calving genetics one on another. I will use a safer bull on let's say bluex heifer, more extreme muscled heifers, or more muscled cows, which have less capabilities, but usually normal calving bulls are used the most, and harder calved bulls on proven highest capabilities cows. So at the end, I see now difference in heifers and cows calves when selecting replacements as almost all come from the same normal calving sires. Have been using such mindset for over a decade and our average birth weight had increased, but also I see an improvement in calving abilities. If I would use easy calving bulls on heifers sired by easy calving sires, I'd be hesitant to leave a replacement from such breeding. Had heard some horror stories when stacking easy calving genetics one on another in several generations produces such animals, which can't naturally calve a cat.
Yes I would think that a pedigree cow has better traits of the breed than a cross would. Never needed to use a jack with any Salers calving so I would say to have a Saler needing a C section would be very rare and if it did happen it may be down to things like malpresentation rather than the calf getting caught at the shoulders or hips.
I see Bova have their new catalogue on their facebook page.
Out of interest what % CD would you consider easy on heifers and on cows....in general I know it'll depend on cows breeding
I would usually put a saler under 2% CD on a heifer use a limousin on a 2nd calver, both of these high in maternal traits in the hope of getting a heifer or two and then charolais from then on. I would usually breed off the best heifer calves as it's hard to buy something better than you breed yourself. I also think that if a cow can't calve a charolais at her third calving she's not worth keeping I wouldn't be too worried about calving difficulty after that. If you have a good cow she should be able to calve nearly anything at that stage. Just my opinion
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