In Russia they just eject and let the plane fly into an apartment block.
Maybe look more closely
And going by the number of dropped cigarettes and fires across different parts of Russia, there seem to be a few "orks" in their "god forsaken country" that are doing far more than you or I would dare.
There are Russian embassies in countries all over the world where Russian citizens could gather to vent there opposition to the war without fear of repercussions.
New explosions been reported in Mariupol,
Must be GLSDB time again
Moscow has a population of 12M and even say if only 10% turned up outside the Kremlin that would make for quite a noisy protest of over 1 million people!
Not sure what the authorities could do about it, there isn’t enough police in Moscow to arrest them all.
Could have a big say on the outcome of the war but won’t hold out any hope Muscovites will get off their backsides to go do it.
What's your point exactly, not clear.
It’s a recurring problem though among sections of the Irish electorate who are determined to give a poke in the eye to ‘dat gubbermint in d Pale’ regardless. Low turnouts in Euro elections exacerbate the problem, so you end up with the likes of Wallace & Daly getting in. It’s a shame there isn’t some type of recall mechanism for MEPs who go off on ridiculous tangents that these pair seem to do quite often.
Any Irish living in the UK from 1969 to 1999 would tend to have a slightly different take on this....
You seem to be suggesting that the western world stand back and wait for the Russian people to become apathetic and seething, which let's face it doesn't look like its happening any time soon. Meanwhile the raping torturing and murdering by Russia carries on. No I'm afraid I would much prefer to see the west arming Ukraine to the teeth with whatever they want in order to send every Russian back to their God forsaken country.
and the fact that they are too dumb to exist without having a leader.
Many of them are against the war, not for Ukraine's sake, but for their own sake. It upsets their apple cart. There's a difference.
"Easier to hate" sums it up pretty much. The mentality that jumps to "orcs" is the same as the one that jumps to "hohols". Basic tribal Them Vs Us human nature. Just pick a side. It's how and why conflicts like this are revved up in the population to the point where some will kill and die for that by leaders for their own ends, all too rarely righteous ends.
And those calling for Russians to rise up? Even when we see mass demonstrations in free western nations, it's a tiny percentage of the population of those nations, whether most people actively or tacitly agree or disagree with the marchers. A "milllion man" march in the US would be 0.3% of the US population.
Oh it's easy to be a keyboard warrior, the tech extension of the man in the pub, but actual heroes and revolution starters and dissenters get lauded with medals, statues and streets named after them, precisely because they're incredibly rare people. It's only when a population hits a critical mass do more and more join, because they feel "safer" to do so. Even so when such revolutions do happen if you look at the actual percentage of the population actually pulling the levers and doing the dirty work, it's still a small percentage. The vast mass of humanity trundle on, worried about their lives, families and kids hoping it'll work out in times of turmoil. Look at the much smaller stuff going on heere at the moment, the anti/pro asylum seeker marches. A few thousand on either side. The millions of Irish people beyond that might nod or shout at their tellies, but then back to soaps, twitter, Game of Trek and Love Dates Island. And autocrats rely on this.
Putin did. That's how he got where he is and why he still has support, particularly among the older Russian population. Those that lived through the Times of Troubles Part II of the 90's and the near overnight collapse of the old order. Overnight people lost their savings, people lost their jobs, people lost their future and the future of their children when that old order collapsed. Never mind the barbarity and criminality that followed as it tends to do when society breaks down. Every single one of us here is a potential victim or savage when the money and food and future run out. Just a week of empty supermarkets equals societal chaos.
Now putin is seen - and of course pushes this heavily, though not without some merit Russian style - as the man who stopped that. The man who got the economy back up and running(by selling off the family jewels and keeping most for him and his mates, but enough people got scraps from that table), the man who put food on tables and gave Russians back their futures, particularly those in the cities(rural Russians were and remain far more old school and independent and used to hardships and prepared for them) and even their pride. A Russian woman I knew who got out in the mid 90's and never looked back, dared not to as she'd few family left(premature deaths and suicides during the 90's), went back for a visit to her home city(whose name escapes. Lots of S' T's and K's anyway)around ten years ago and she told me Russia had changed beyond measure and for the positive from her time and distance perspective.
IMHO if you want to know when Russians are seething underneath, don't watch for revolution, watch for apathy. Not when they cheer or boo at rallies, but when they're silent.
This ^^
If you walk past the GPO most evenings you will see people protesting about dictator murderous regimes in their home countries.
I’ve seen Syrians, Lebanese, Myanmar all wave blood stained flags of their leaders to express their disapproval and need for change.
Now when it comes to Russians abroad yes we’ve seen protests… but all in support of Putin!
these range from Russians in Germany waving Z flags and protesting against Ukrainian refugees.
Russians waving Z flags in Dublin on the M50 and phoenix park.
Russians racially assaulting Ukrainians in Spain.
And then the sporting events be it boxing or motor racing, Russian athletes openly displaying Z flags or tattoos to express their support of the war.
But posters on here say the majority of Russians are against the war but yet we haven’t seen proof of that anywhere in the world.
I've been reading similar and it's deeply concerning.
My only hope is russian corruption, alcoholism and poor quality control will result in far fewer usable munitions than these figures suggest.
There is absolutely no justification to hate all Russians because of this war. That is the kind of mentality that leads to the genocide we're seeing today. A person who hates an entire nation of people are only a different path in life away from being a Putin or the Russians raping innocent Ukrainians. Most people are good and intelligent enough to understand the complexities of a situation like this.
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TBH I couldn't care less how Russians are regarded throughout the world but I'm sure you are aware that they are hated throughout the western world and with justification I might add. And seeing as Russians themselves are not going to bring about an end to this brutality I don't think they can have much grounds for complaint if outside forces put an end to it.
There are constant protests in Russia, but they are always stomped out and people are silenced through beatings, imprisonment or both. My wife's cousin is wheelchair bound now because he was imprisoned and purposely denied his lifesaving medication, more than likely going to die. He's one of many and this deters others from doing the same. Such is life under an autocracy and brutality, with a controlled narrative through media.
Don't get me wrong, plenty Russians are for the invasion and toe the line but so so many don't.
It's absolutely inhumane, childish, dim. The person who spray painted that symbol on the memorial is a thick-headed fool. Inhuman act for use, but that speaks to the person who did the act, not all Russians. So my point is, you're not responsible for all attrocities committed by Irish people just because you too may be Irish.
Considering as you say there are 140 million of them, one would think there would be a lot more protest by them against the war their country is waging, if that was the sentiment.
We're discussing russia,not mother and baby homes,so I'm not interested in your deflection.
What I am interested in is what do you think of the russian Nazi symbol of the war being spray painted onto a memorial for Holocaust victims?
Because in my book that is a Inhumane despicable act of hatred,you reap what you sow.
I think it's just important to avoid tarring all Russians with the same brush, there's 140 million of them and a few hundred thousand doing the raping/butchering. Going down the road of labelling all Russians as one leads to the same situation we're all horrified over. I spend most weeks in the company of Ukrainians who don't even hate all Russians, because they're not idiots.
Fair play to you protesting against the war but to be honest I see little evidence of Russians protesting either here or back in Russia. And to be perfectly frank I care little for what Russians do at this stage ,they certainly won't be rising up against putins tyranny anyway. I care much more for those people that are being raped tortured and murdered by Russians and I hope Russia pays a very heavy price for this, slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
So are you claiming all Russians are now inhumane because of graffiti in Latvia? Are you to blame for the mother and baby homes?
My wife, her family here and I were were outside the Russian Embassy immediately after and still campaign with the Russia diaspora here against the war. It is not for her to discuss rape to others, but the Russians back home are well aware as they all have access to Telegram. They're not as oblivious as you seem to think and definitely don't support the war by majority. That concept might make them easier to hate, but it just isn't true.
Yes I think the failure of Russians living abroad to actively protest against the war speaks volumes of the Russian psyche. In general they are a cold insensitive people and show no desire to oppose their murdering leader.
Not inhuman?
They really can't help themselves can they?
Shades of the parade scene in "The Tin Drum"
Hilarious
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