Or take one of the other alternatives that have long range and use alternative charging infra such as Ionity. You do seem to have difficulty with the idea of charging en route. Did you have a particularly bad time once or is the concept that you have an issue with?
That's interesting. There were people on here before claiming that EV drivers care more about the environment than an ICE driver.
So now you need to drive a specific brand of EV to justify it over an ICE.
For long journeys just take an ICE and be done with it it.
Anything within the range of an EV then use it.
If you have a Tesla there's plenty of enroute chargers for that route. High powered chargers too, so 15-20 minute stop.
I should have mentioned - two overnight will be involved at a Premier Inn. Unfortunately the Premier Inns in NI don't have any charging infrastructure.
922km in a day is loopy, 800 is my record but I wouldn't recommend anyone do that even.
This issue is irrelevant to the individual EV owner. The source of the electrons doesn't matter (for the majority) so long as those electrons are far cheaper than pumping fuel into their fuel tank.
We're finally starting to hit the moved goal post that requires a 922km non stop journey. 11hrs is a long time to be driving in a single day, I can see why you wouldn't want to add time with some charging stops.
According to ABRP a long range Model Y would need a whole extra hour of en-route charging to do that.
Love this thread: People who don't own an EV in Ireland argue that the happy owners who own EV in Ireland should not be happy (because just look at this data from UK).
Just reading the news, an extra 10 euro come October, maybe your idiot neighbours will start to use their plugs.
Definitely. Next month, I need to do Cork - Howth - Belfast - Downpatrick and then back down to Cork via Kells. Not business, but personal stuff and dropoffs.
Absolutely no way I'd do that trip on any form of EV at the moment. I should manage it (just about) on one tank of Diesel.
There's a thread for that https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058252347/evs-are-worse-for-the-environment-the-myth I don't see any claims that they will be entirely powered by non fossil fuels other than those dismissed by yourself. I don't think you need to argue with your own counter points.
Just confirms demand for EVs far exceeds, and will continue to exceed, supply and price is no longer the primary driver of demand. Time is right to phase out the grant and use the funding to improve the public charging infrastructure.
Demand for 'premium' used electric vehicles (EVs) jumped almost 270% in January compared to the same time last year, new figures from DoneDeal show.The site regards 'premium' EVs as cars of between one and four years old, worth over €30,000. It said the spike in demand was partly down to issues around the supply of brand new EVs.The figures show that demand for new EVs was up 32% in January year-on-year. In total, demand for all EVs costing €30,000 and above was up 97% compared to January 2022.
Today's survey findings suggest that electric driving is here to stay, with the majority of EV drivers surveyed saying they have no plans to switch back to petrol or diesel.
Meanwhile, 70% said they plan on buying another EV as their next car purchase.When it comes to the financial benefits, 74% of the EV drivers surveyed said their running costs are less than their previous petrol or diesel car.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0221/1357806-demand-for-premium-used-electric-vehicles-up-270/
Well of course they will be excited at the prospect of making more money.
It will still be fossil fuels that supply that electricity to power our electric cars a lot of the time though. Let's stop pretending otherwise.
I'm not quite sure why you think our commercialised energy generation market is the only market that exists where forecasted extra demand will not result in investment, but only when that energy is electricity, and only when that electricity is used to power an EV.
The electricity generation companies are excited rather than fearful of us replacing oil based transport with electric based.
I'd say you about nailed it with the electricity prices, although it could be cheaper on a subscription
Petrol looks like it'll be a lot more expensive come the next all Ireland
I think you're being overly pessimistic about the chargers being broken, there's a reason I would go for an Ionity site with 4 chargers. I can understand being nervous if you're dependent on an ESB SPOF charger
It was media driven panic buying really. Same as the toilet paper during COVID or bread during a storm.
You even had idiots filling plastic bags with petrol FFS.
It was a once off unlike the people who rely solely on public chargers for their EV who have to face potential problems every time they try to charge.
The frantic queuing for petrol is itself an extreme example.
It was a self inflicted problem by the UK and was the first frantic queuing for petrol since the fuel crises of the late 70s or early 80s.
It's hardly a common occurrence. And equally there could be disruption to the electricity grid, night time rolling power outages etc, thus making home charging a frantic exercise.
Suppose you have a brand new diesel Sportage in your driveway and a brand new Kia EV6 beside it.
Which would you pick for the long trip and why?
(A long trip without private charging at the other end obviously)
Ah yes, if I disagree with you then I must therefore be deluded. Just the level of reasoned debate I should have expected 🙄
And with all the extra electric demand will we need even more wind turbines ? Most charge at night so might not be too big a problem I suppose.
Then we have the dirty little problem of the time there is no wind, like in December and it went below 10%, how much extra power from fossil fuel plants will we need?
Relying on public charging can be problematic, get over it.
It's not just anecdotes, I provided a survey of actual EV drivers.
Answer me this, what % of EV drivers in Ireland rely on the public network with no charging either at home or at work?
Anecdotes is all you can offer and ignored the frantic queuing all over the UK for petrol a few years back while eV drivers just plugged in at home, anyone can take an extreme example but it's very unhelpful and disingenuous
I think grid connection is an issue alright, and thus it drives me a bit mad when AC is under utilised. To take the all ireland example, it would be more effective if the city centre car parks had row upon row of 7kw AC. Simplistically, 55 x 7kw take as much grid as 2 x 200kw. Then people would be free to stop or not stop on drive home.
Best example of this is the airport red car park, by definition people will be parked there for hours, yet they put 2 x 50kw at the gate. Why not put 33 x 3kw even, would mean a daytripper would get about 12 hours charge (36kw), and anyone staying longer more again. But 33 cars ready to go is better IMHO. Or even hybrid solution 1 x 50 and 17 x 3 etc. I'm not sure how the numbers stack up in terms of cars being plugged in for weeks on end in that car park, but hybrid AC/DC would mitigate that somewhat.
We're at the point where it's economical for a service station operator to start investing in infra (as seen by Applegreen and Maxol) as the number of cars on the road grows the justification for investment increases. There's also initiatives such as the Faster project (North East and NI) and the Dublin council which intend to provide district charging. I think the real place we're going to have problems is the forward planning needed on grid connections. ESB Networks seem to have capacity but they take about 2 years to deliver any new sizeable grid connection.
The problem is there could be a big increase in the number of BEV's on our roads again next year leapfrogging any progress in extra charging capacity.
The real problems will start when BEV's are forced on people who dont have private charging. Will people start taking electric scooters out of the boot to get home from wherever they manage to charge their car?
Maybe in a faraway land there will be chargers as fast as petrol pumps but that remains to be seen and guess what, juice will not be cheap.
Interesting survey, particular highlights include the almost 50% who don't have a charger within 20 minutes walk from home, and the guy who had a Leaf in 2016 who now has a Kona and doesn't use public chargers. Despite the survey being UK based it backs up what I've been saying for a while. Charging networks have changed dramatically since 2020.
As someone who is forced to rely on the public network due to circumstances the network is nowhere near as bad as people make out. We still have a few big issues around motorway service stations, but these are very often mitigated by using Ionity chargers, most of the people who have a bad time are unwilling to the premium to use sites that have a higher number of chargers.
If the charger is available, if I am there, I would use it, never actually stop to charge to continue my journey, only now with electricity prices so high, its breaking even, last I read on the apple green saviors was that they were delivering 22 kWh and charging more for the privilege.
Im going to bed good night.
My problem with PHEVs charging at rapid chargers was down to it making no sense when the person claims to buy a PHEV to avoid charging times and then do it anyway despite it being cost neutral on the petrol vs electricity front we even had a thread on it.
Your experience of the charging network here seems very dated, maybe it's a symptom of you only seeing the single motorway stations where Applegreen held eCars to ransom, at least that's going to improve now that they're getting in to the game themselves.
I've already sent you the survey of actual EV drivers experiences. Read it.
I'll never use a public charger. Take the ICE on the long journey.
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