Well there's two options, option 1 is you drive there, stop at Ionity Kill for a 6 mins charging stop, go to the match (I'm assuming you're actually parking at Croke park, I don't actually know where fans leave their cars) and then drive home, stop at Ionity Kill for a 29 mins charging stop
Option 2 is you drive there and park at one of the AC chargers nearby and then skip the charging stops
Really failing to see the difficulty 🤷♂️
I have never planned, I don't particularly like burgers, I don't feel the need to eat/pee/stretch my legs for a reason to charge.
I'm not against EV as such, it's just that I can't ever see myself being able to afford a 7 seater EV and I am not looking forward to the day that I'll be penalized in tax etc by zealot environmentalist like the Green Party for still driving a ICE.
But the amount of EV advocates who claim that the time they were forced to wait to charge on a trip was not an inconvenience is laughable.
All this waffle about stretching legs, having burgers etc etc
On a long trip some days I like to stop for a few minutes, some days I like to drive straight through, it all depends on so many factors.
Having to stop to charge and dressing it up as being an advantage the way some here do is as I said laughable.
It's an inconvenience, and until there comes a day when you can charge as quick and as easy as filling a tank of fuel it will always be an inconvenience.
The difficulty being everybody else has the same idea.
All travelling from Kerry, all cars heavily loaded and all needing a big top-up. Hence big delays.
I really don't see why anybody would choose an electric over an ICE in this scenario.
Public charging is a fundamental issue with EV's and it's only going to get worse.
Big problems in the UK at Christmas.
I've given an example of Kerry going to an All Ireland, if any 2 of Limerick, Cork, Clare or Kerry were involved in an All Ireland driving an EV to Croke park would be a nightmare.
Stop in Junction 14 or any of large the motorway stops in Ireland on a busy weekend and they are full of people sitting down to eat and use the facilities, and very few of those people drive EVs.
I was thinking the exact same thing, the AC plan does not work either, plus you are talking about 40 euros for the pleasure of waiting, eating, or stretching.
While this is fine in theory and probably still OK for most normal days. However, I would think with the increasing number of BEVs on the road now it would be very difficult to find a car space not to mind an AC equipped space in the vicinity of Croke Park on a big march day. I certainly wouldnt be relying on it as my charging strategy for getting home. I would also be heading off before final whistle to get ahead of the posse for DC chargers on way home.
And what's your point?
It's still an inconvenience trying to get your car charged if it's the only reason for your stop.
If it's busy and you can't get a charging point it quickly becomes torture.
A Kia Sportage PHEV is €46k
A Kia EV6 is €55k.
If the grant goes then the gap gets bigger.
That is a lot of petrol paid into the PHEV for those long journeys where the charging ain't cheap anyway.
And there are also thousands of people passing by in cars that don't need to or don't chose to stop.
A Hyundai Tucson PHEV is about €11500 less than the 73kW IONIQ 5.
That's about 100000 Kms of petrol driving past charging points you don't particularly want to go into.
Maybe I'm missing something but paying an extra €11500 for a less convenient mode of travel doesn't make sense for anybody doing long journeys frequently.
My point is that thousands of drivers stop at roadside services every day anyway to use the facilities and very few of them drive EVs, its no more inconvenient for EVs than it is for ICE drivers.
Except the EV driver is forced to stop if he needs a charge and hope there is a charger available, making it an inconvenience.
The ICE driver is stopping by choice. Thousands more ICE driver don't stop at all and keep going to destination without being forced to stop.
Get the train and enjoy a pint
Actually the entry level Ioniq 5 starts at around 41k, entry level Tuscon PHEV is nearly 3k more
My 10 year old 520d cost me just over 8k two years ago. Now has 268,000 km on the clock. When I filled it the other day the dash Indicated 1,000 km until next fill. It’s hard to argue with those kind of figures, or to argue it’s more eco-friendly to buy a large lump of new metal and rare earths in place of the old workhorse.
Yeah, which is why I deliberately chose a charging hub with 4 HPCs. And even if I have to queue for 5 mins, so what?
Oh so your car never needs to stop for petrol? This must be a recent development, my last petrol car stubbornly insisted on being refilled every week
EV's are just another conjob.
Same as when we were all forced to drive diesels and loads of older cars unnecessarily scrapped.
For the smaller battery though, even more using public chargers!
So if I pull in there its guaranteed to be 5 minute wait maximum, on All Ireland Final day when everybody is thinking the same thing.
And how much would the petrol cost for the benefit of shaving maybe 10-15 mins off your journey?
Stop being silly now. Nobody is saying a petrol car doesn't need to be refuelled.
But on a long single day round trip it's a much better option. Theres no getting away from that.
There are no guarantees, with anything. Maybe there's a massive queue of cars at the charging hub, maybe there's a queue of people at the petrol station waiting to pay and it take 15 mins to get out of there
It's the day you could be caught for hours that's the problem.
And yes it is a problem, it happened in the UK over Christmas and the consensus is it's going to get worse.
Well we're just going to have to disagree, I think an EV is a perfect option for a long trip. I start with a full battery, I can do a round trip almost anywhere on the island with a 30 mins charge, and a much more pleasant driving experience overall
I've never really seen major delays at petrol stations.
Delays getting electric cars charged is a well established problem though.
Theres no getting away from that.
Hence for those long trips an ICE or PHEV is a no brainer over a BEV.
I'm not sure why people are burying their head in the sand pretending it's fun to be stopping when you don't particularly want to.
An all Ireland would be a fairly extreme example. Even at that, croker takes a minimum of 2 hours to be cleared out. Many stay in Dublin for the night. A huge number take the bus or train. More stay a few hours for food, shopping, drinks. Most of those who travelled by car don't go straight to the car and then home. I know when I travel across the country, I have always stopped for a snack and toilet break. I imagine this being all the more necessary for a car packed with passengers after an exhilarating event such as an all Ireland.
If a PHEV is preferred, that's fine. I just don't think one is necessary.
And if you had an ICE in the driveway beside it it would be a no brainer to take the ICE on that long trip. Wins hands down all day long.
I drive an electric some of the time, and a diesel some of the time, no major difference in the driving experience.
If there was we would all having being driving automatic ICE years ago.
Now you're pulling the pish. There is absolutely a major difference in driving experience. What cars do you own?
Hmm, interesting that it was only Teslas affected it seems, might be something to do with the fact that their onboard navigation prefers Supercharger sites. Score one for the non Teslas I guess 🤷♂️
Funny how in that case the charging network only suffered when it was stressed to the absolute edge of reasonable demand. Almost as if it's fine for 99% of cases
And I don't buy that it's going to get worse all of a sudden. Charger installations are at the highest level they've ever been at and there's more players getting into the market all the time
So taking your Kerry to Dublin example, our hurling fans will soon have charging hubs in Ballymount, Blancharstown, Clonsaugh and others to charge at. It won't be a case of only having 2-3 decent sites to charge at, it'll be more like 10. And this is on top of the scattering of ESB chargers around the place (although personally I avoid those as much as possible)
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