Of course you have to plan, you might have to go out the night before to fill up for your trip, it's just a different type of planning and anyone driving more than 300km in a single sitting is being irresponsible in any event, you need a break when doing long drives. If it was as complex as you pretend how does everyone manage? It's really not that big a deal to incorporate a stop at a fast charger a few times a year, that aside I never need to see a service station nor do I need to faff around with plugging in every single night
My last trip I put 50 euro in mid January, 2 weeks later, trip to Dublin, non stop, parked up, attended function, went home non stop, still have 33% of that fuel, my main reason for putting petrol in is just to stop the beeping, but your right, a tiny little bit of planning to get some petrol, even when beeping its enough to get me to any 24 hour petrol station on any road I could possible take at the risk of maybe 10 minutes waiting.
My charge point is 24 hours aswell and it's at my house, and what relevance is having 33 percent of your petrol left when you get home?
Just some information. good for you. All charge points are 24 hours or nearly all.
Its not as complex as I stated, but any of those problems can lead to a delay, I bought a phev not because I thought they were the best, but because of those exact problems others encountered, I rarely see a service station my self, in fact I have forgotten where the button for the petrol cap is and I noticed cob webs a few times.
I would prefer longer range and a smaller engine/rex but I accept what is available, I don't accept the same boring, silly, arguments about phev's
Fair play how do you train them not to have pee stops! 🤣.
I could say likewise about your arguments against full evs
One wears a nappy, the other 2 are fairly good.
''If your doing 150 km a day then an EV suits, doing 15 km a day and the odd trip of more, a phev suits, if you buy a phev expect to buy and use petrol, the lugging around a battery is just rubbish its the same kg/kwh in both.
I have never planned, I don't particularly like burgers, I don't feel the need to eat/pee/stretch my legs for a reason to charge.
I see a lot of guys saying they never have to wait, then I see more complain that they do, or they prefer to pay a premium to use the few ionity or applegreen sites, I prefer to buy petrol.
I think the model y is a cheap car at the moment, but in all honesty I would buy a k4 phev and save the 3k, probably 6 years or more of fuel use to play with. ideally for a convenience comparison it would be fair to price the k4 against a long range model Y but you know hauling that heavy battery around for no reason.''
Thats my post, you pull one line ''doing 15 km a day and the odd trip of more, a phev suits'' and call it nonsense,
I am not against EV's nor against phev's, I don't understand why some are soooooooooooooooooooooooooo anti phev, I would recommend both, but for some people I would push for a phev more for the sake of a few euro's worth of petrol a few times a year with little to no hard ship other than a few seconds to plug it in, where as most here would recommend a diesel if your not going to purchase an EV.
Because someone doing 15km a day is an ideal candidate to own an ev.
Now your pulling words from a sentence, FFS.
That you posted 😂
I give up.
Good night.
To balance this out we should have a thread on each forum called
"Unhappy with owning a diesel in Ireland"
"Unhappy with owning a petrol in Ireland"
etc etc
This is a f**king ridiculous thread to be honest, just the latest in a long string of ridiculous discussions onlines about electric cars.
At the end of the day electricity is just a fuel. If you are buying a car then review all the options and pick the best one that suits your needs.
Thats it. No big deal.
Some owners have had a negative experience and liked to share that across multiple threads, this gives them a space to express that opinion. A discussion forum does not need to be all happy clappy posistive only experience, if you aren't interested in the thread there's a quite easy way to avoid, just don't open it.
After starting with Nissan Leaf (range 135km), upgrading to Ioniq (200km) and e-Golf I will simply not go to ICE for driving experience (maybe exempt Merc or A6). Rented Seat Ibiza with automatic DSG and it is not anywhere near compare to EV.
Yes I was unhappy with owning EV in Ireland on few occasions when ESB charging network did not meet my expectations. Considering price inflation of EVs I did think switch back to ICE vehicle but my other family members voted for an EV. I practically do not need a car, was going to buy 2006-2008 E-Class Mercedes and drive it until it stops but wife would not enjoy it around town. Big cars for an open road - EVs for town driving. I did commute 150kms (town/motorway) daily and 28kWh Ioniq was sufficient.
Of course people can share their negative experiences with EVs in a forum, all discussion is welcome. It just sounds like people who don't like EV bought a car that isn't suitable for them.
You'll know from a test drive whether or not you like the way an EV drives and you'll know straight away if you like the fit and finish of a car compared to one you currently own.
Not saying people can't be unhappy with their EV after owning one as you aren't necessarily always going to like your new car as much as your old one, it's just hard to see how someone could do their research on EVs, test drive a few and be happy enough to pull the trigger then realise it doesn't suit them or they don't like it.
When speaking to other people if they'd go EV, aside from the high cost, people are usually reluctant due to the charging network. If I needed to rely on the public network even a little bit I'd really think hard about going for an EV.
I notice in my estate a few stranger neighbours who had Tesla model 3s have moved to hybrids.
Smella bùllshit off that post.
Why?
Many people who had Teslas in their driveways no longer have Teslas in their driveways in our estate. They have hybrids.
Should I interview them for you?
I don't believe that many people in your estate had a Model 3. They are not popular and wide spread enough to have "many" in one housing estate. I'd be surprised to see more than two model 3s an any regular housing estate. The numbers simply are not there.
And even if there were many of your neighbours with M3s, they wouldn't be going out buying hybrids. Complete nonsense. Pull the other one.
There is a high probability of a few Teslas around same estate as per official statistics:
Sorry you are saying Tesla model 3s are not popular with EV drivers. Lol
There were 6 or 7 Teslas model 3s in my estate of 255 houses. Now there are 3. You seem to be out of touch and posting as if fact. Funny that.
Bet Ghost wouldn’t have called bs if you hadn’t mentioned Tesla
Funny how some of these fanbois get triggered
Without looking up official figures, the Irish fleet is still very low at around 5%. Of that 5%, there is a percentage of Teslas. Of the Teslas, there is a percentage of Model 3s. So, again, without doing some real digging into the figures, I think the poster was posting BS.
EDIT: I did a quick search and found it's quite a bit lower than 5% => https://www.bonkers.ie/blog/personal-finance/is-ireland-ready-to-make-the-switch-to-electric-vehicles/
"The Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland (SEAI) estimates that currently there are only 60,000 EVs on Irish roads, just 2.7% of the total car fleet."
It's not clear if this is BEV of BEV+ Hybrids, so could potentially be way lower for BEVs.
No, I am saying you are talking BS. Model 3s are popular....I own one myself, but there are not enough of them to have 7 in an estate of 255 houses. I live in an average suburb estate in Dublin. My road has over 200 houses. There are 6 full BEVs on my road. 2 of them are parked on my driveway. 1 of them is a Model 3. 3 are Leafs, 1 E-Nero and 1 eTron.
I am regularly in upper-middle class estates when out walking the dog and have seen no more than 2 Teslas on one occasion and that was in the same garden. Though this is only anecdotal, I would rely more on the actual statistics and probability than your "stranger neighbours" as you call them.
I'd have believed 6 or 7 Leafs.....as they have been around for over 10 years and have been more attainable for people to buy. I still would call BS on the moving to hybrid. What a crock of shoite and from another poster with less than 100 posts....go figure.
Source: https://stats.beepbeep.ie/
That's just 2023 and 2022. Not everyone has a one year old car so I'd imagine Ghost figure of 2.7% of the Irish fleet isn't far off.
Im not saying it should be all happy customers, but these threads just descend to the same anti electric waffle all the time.
Electric is no long niche product. It is mainstream with nearly every vendor releasing a model even down to the Dacia model soon to be released. Electric is just a fuel, people should have the ability to pick which fuel suits their needs best and this thread should be a discussion about what issues people might see if they invest in a electric
I opened the thread expecting to see an adult discussion, yet we see the same post we would have seen 10 years ago about a Skoda(it's always a Skoda) doing incredible ltr/100km as if it has any relevance at all.
Im fully expecting to see any minute now the picture of the kids from the Congo 🙈
What is the point in showing sales figures for 2022/23? All the other cars don't suddenly disappear at the end of each year. The total EV fleet in Ireland is less than 3% and maybe less full BEV.
So, if the total fleet 3% and Tesla Model 3 is but a tiny fraction of that 3%, how realistic is it now that the other poster wasn't talking out tail pipe?
The only people I seen move from an electric back to diesel because of the distances they required, to be honest it is totally ridiculous to suggest someone would move to a hybrid which gives them less electric range and worse fuel economy to a diesel for long range.
For someone to go out and pay 50k+ for an electric car and then go back out and buy a hybrid instead would suggest they
I suppose the main goal of this thread would have been to share personal or direct experience of why owning an electric vehicle didn't work out for your scenario.
I think this would provide more insights for those evaluating whether an EV is right for them at this time, or not and why/why not.
There are other threads for the environmental, social and similar impacts of EVs that may be better suited for those topics.
Hopefully, this thread can remain and be an objective expressions of why someone went for an EV and then changed their mind, so others can learn from similar experience.
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