When did I make a connection between child/slave labour and evs?
please enlighten me officer
When you are unable to make the connection and then call my link bs I will accept an apology
No policing whatsoever,
Just calling out some BS
Actually I think people posting on the internet should be stopped. Your policing would become much easier then
Yeah, it seems like in pursuit of a link between child/slave labour and EV’s (cobalt mining), you found a story about a company in America that makes parts for Hyundai cars/SUV’s (and I’d assume mostly ICE as I don’t believe Hyundai produce EV’s in America), and that factory have had allegations made against them of employing underage workers….
EV production globally should be ceased immediately!!!
I apologise for posting completely unrelated information to the previous posts today and yesterday in this thread
And what has that got to do with EV’s?
This was only recently
https://www.fox13news.com/news/hyundai-subsidiary-allegedly-uses-child-labor-report
And countries that chop people their leaders don't like into small pieces in embassies.
and fossil fuels currently bankroll certain warring nations....
What “minerals and stuff” are you referring to?
You specifically mentioned slave labour so that must have come from you reading about Cobalt in the Congo?
Of course there are other elements that go into making a car (aluminium etc) but there is no transport available that can be derived from using nothing.
Id rather support BEV production, than ICE production so that we reduce our reliance on fossil fuels over time.
I put my hand up and say no I’m not that familiar of the cost of them- I can understand an ICE extended warranty being expensive but I’d have thought an extended warranty on an electric would have been money for old rope, nearly everyone would get one, and it would be cheap as chips due to low failure rate of batreries long term- that was my rationale but it’s obviously way off the mark
You’ve never heard of extended warranties?
Even more expensive with diesel cars that will supposedly outlast electric cars.
You have to offset what ever it uses with what it doesn't use vs ice.
I guess the main point is minerals and stuff required for EVs, wherever they come from, will never be cheap and will always be in finite supply
Reading this thread, the most important thing I have learned is to never again give a vote to the green party. They'd have us all walking to work in hemp potato sacks.
"As claimed"..? EVs have been around for decade. We know what the degradation for batteries is now. The price isn't cost of claims It's how much you'll pay for a security blanket.
That's a bit like arguing for an old mobile phone that's lasts two weeks on a single charge. People have realized they don't need that, except in rare circumstances. Same with EVs. If you don't have home charging it's not a runner anyway.
And cobalt is used for the production of all petrol and diesel. So if you are worried about said slave labour, best stop using your internal combustion car and buy an EV. Or walk or cycle of course.
The countries where essentially slave labour is mining for the minerals needed to build the batteries will eventually insist on higher prices- war and political chaos is also a huge threat to the EV industry as we have seen to date, and that will also increase
Unfortunately many more wars are fought over ICE, as they are fossil fuel based which is usually the root cause of most recent wars. So, pick your poison, we cant all just decide to give up personal transport. Government should of course invest in more rail and public transport but this island will always need personal transport in the mix. Its just not practical to have public transport to everywhere.
And when you talk of slave labour I presume you are talking about cobalt in the Congo? Latest battery tech doesn't use cobalt anymore (for that very reason) so that is moot now. Doesn't mean there isn't slave labour in other parts of general car manufacturing but the main one touted by anti-EV people isn't an issue anymore.
Wow- didn’t think such a premium would be so high- I was thinking more that leaving aside reduced range over time, if batteries were as reliable as claimed, that the premium would be like 200 euro a year commensurate with a very small claims level- obviously this is not the case.
You don't live in the Australian outback why would you need 1450 range!!
I've mine a year I drive 150km a day for work, Galway to Dublin once a month, and did Galway to Belfast few times. I enjoy planning the route never been caught out or waited for a charger, as mentioned by someone biggest problem was not having enough time to eat me burger before moving the car.
Won't go back to a ICE deffo not a PHEV.
Neighbour bought one and regrets its partial electric range not enough and he said fuel efficiency not great in petrol mode maybe because he also lugging around a heavy battery that not used on long trips.
Like an extended warranty that Tesla offers?
Its €2800 from memory for 4 years.
Puts it on par or slightly better value than the bmw extended warranty for my 520d. Quoted €850 for the year.
I reckon costs of production are only going to rise. The countries where essentially slave labour is mining for the minerals needed to build the batteries will eventually insist on higher prices- war and political chaos is also a huge threat to the EV industry as we have seen to date, and that will also increase, maybe in other countries too- of course that’s related to other electronic products too, like mobile phones.
I look at EVs as the beginning of something different, not the end solution - buyers of EVs a few years ago have benefited from tiny car depreciation due to supply shortages - prices have risen as a result for new EVs but I don’t see the low depreciation ending soon- the world is still chaotic and that means high prices will continue into the short to possibly medium term (5 years)
Getting back to the original topic of EV cars, I certainly think, like many policies the current government is championing they work but only for town or city dwellers where they are making short journeys. I certainly wouldn’t purchase one being a country dweller and especially not as a commuter. The cost is also a huge barrier, I don’t think ev cars are the way forward. They’re about the only thing being presented to us right now but I’m not at all convinced they are our future for transport.
One of the ways to sort long term value and reliability of EVs is to introduce a simple extended warranty product on the battery or whatever the big cost is if things go wrong- if EVs have an estimated battery life of close to a million miles as someone pointed out earlier, then insurance companies should have a viable new product to market- peace of mind knowing if your battery dies, that it won’t cost you 7-10k or more to replace, makes perfect sense to me- especially if overall, batteries remain reliable in the main long after their guarantee period expires.
Depends where u get your info whether Dublin vs Amsterdam is wetter.
I think we need more affordable housing ( not state housing ) along with lower cost of living and not to make Women feel like staying at home to raise their Children is something for the 1950s. How many Women would choose to commute 10 hrs a week or more and deal with Bollocks in work than stay home with their Children ? Working is not something Mothers Choose do today they have no choice.
Easygo had this for a while (a per minute overstay fee) and then switched to a fixed penalty after 60 minutes. I would prefer a per minute fee but someone who had it stopped for whatever reason.
As an EV owner with access to a diesel the cars are great if you have a home charger but public charging when travelling beyond home charger range can be very hit and miss particularly at peak times like Friday evening on motorway routes. It can really take a shine off a long trip when you find 1+ cars queuing at a 50KW+ charger. We need triple the number of 50kW+ chargers right now, let alone future needs.
They should do this, but the boffins over in Ecar software division don't seem to be able to do this
To be fair, I haven't seen a whole lot of chargepoint hogging going on recently. It went way down in ROI after paid charging was introduced
What I've seen happen is either lack of knowledge where someone doesn't know about the overstay or doesn't realise that other people are waiting on the charger. Or the other case is a car with a big battery like an ID.4 needing a longer session to fill the battery.
Even getting to 80% on a 50kW unit can take an hour with a 77kWH battery
ESB should introduce the occupying fee, i.e. X euros per minute after the charging is idle for Y minutes.
Some people are using the charging point as if they were theirs...
I agree liamog, some very entrenched views on this forum :)
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