You don't live in the Australian outback why would you need 1450 range!!
I've mine a year I drive 150km a day for work, Galway to Dublin once a month, and did Galway to Belfast few times. I enjoy planning the route never been caught out or waited for a charger, as mentioned by someone biggest problem was not having enough time to eat me burger before moving the car.
Won't go back to a ICE deffo not a PHEV.
Neighbour bought one and regrets its partial electric range not enough and he said fuel efficiency not great in petrol mode maybe because he also lugging around a heavy battery that not used on long trips.
Wow- didn’t think such a premium would be so high- I was thinking more that leaving aside reduced range over time, if batteries were as reliable as claimed, that the premium would be like 200 euro a year commensurate with a very small claims level- obviously this is not the case.
The countries where essentially slave labour is mining for the minerals needed to build the batteries will eventually insist on higher prices- war and political chaos is also a huge threat to the EV industry as we have seen to date, and that will also increase
Unfortunately many more wars are fought over ICE, as they are fossil fuel based which is usually the root cause of most recent wars. So, pick your poison, we cant all just decide to give up personal transport. Government should of course invest in more rail and public transport but this island will always need personal transport in the mix. Its just not practical to have public transport to everywhere.
And when you talk of slave labour I presume you are talking about cobalt in the Congo? Latest battery tech doesn't use cobalt anymore (for that very reason) so that is moot now. Doesn't mean there isn't slave labour in other parts of general car manufacturing but the main one touted by anti-EV people isn't an issue anymore.
And cobalt is used for the production of all petrol and diesel. So if you are worried about said slave labour, best stop using your internal combustion car and buy an EV. Or walk or cycle of course.
That's a bit like arguing for an old mobile phone that's lasts two weeks on a single charge. People have realized they don't need that, except in rare circumstances. Same with EVs. If you don't have home charging it's not a runner anyway.
"As claimed"..? EVs have been around for decade. We know what the degradation for batteries is now. The price isn't cost of claims It's how much you'll pay for a security blanket.
Reading this thread, the most important thing I have learned is to never again give a vote to the green party. They'd have us all walking to work in hemp potato sacks.
I guess the main point is minerals and stuff required for EVs, wherever they come from, will never be cheap and will always be in finite supply
You have to offset what ever it uses with what it doesn't use vs ice.
You’ve never heard of extended warranties?
Even more expensive with diesel cars that will supposedly outlast electric cars.
I put my hand up and say no I’m not that familiar of the cost of them- I can understand an ICE extended warranty being expensive but I’d have thought an extended warranty on an electric would have been money for old rope, nearly everyone would get one, and it would be cheap as chips due to low failure rate of batreries long term- that was my rationale but it’s obviously way off the mark
What “minerals and stuff” are you referring to?
You specifically mentioned slave labour so that must have come from you reading about Cobalt in the Congo?
Of course there are other elements that go into making a car (aluminium etc) but there is no transport available that can be derived from using nothing.
Id rather support BEV production, than ICE production so that we reduce our reliance on fossil fuels over time.
and fossil fuels currently bankroll certain warring nations....
And countries that chop people their leaders don't like into small pieces in embassies.
This was only recently
https://www.fox13news.com/news/hyundai-subsidiary-allegedly-uses-child-labor-report
And what has that got to do with EV’s?
I apologise for posting completely unrelated information to the previous posts today and yesterday in this thread
Yeah, it seems like in pursuit of a link between child/slave labour and EV’s (cobalt mining), you found a story about a company in America that makes parts for Hyundai cars/SUV’s (and I’d assume mostly ICE as I don’t believe Hyundai produce EV’s in America), and that factory have had allegations made against them of employing underage workers….
EV production globally should be ceased immediately!!!
Actually I think people posting on the internet should be stopped. Your policing would become much easier then
No policing whatsoever,
Just calling out some BS
When did I make a connection between child/slave labour and evs?
please enlighten me officer
When you are unable to make the connection and then call my link bs I will accept an apology
Hmmm, let’s see, maybe posting an article about child labour in the auto industry in a thread about EV’s, in the EV forum….. when the specific issue of child labour in battery production was being discussed.
In the context of what was being discussed, your link was completely irrelevant, or BS…
Shall we revisit this for a final sake of clarity. I feel you really got out of the wrong side of the bed today
The guy said that if the convo was about slave labour it must mean cobalt. Read those words again, “must”
My link was there to show that slave labour can exist anywhere, even in the first world. Anywhere in the supply chain. Nobody else reading it took it up a different way. Just you Andy
I was actually on the same side as you. But you let your bias on my anti Tesla fanboi comments in other threads get in the way and you couldn’t see what was meant by the post. How do I know? You didn’t reply to anyone who was talking about mobile phones or ice cars that they shouldnt be posting about that it an EV thread on an EV forum
I own an EV and a hybrid car so I can safely say you shot the opposite direction on this
Now I will respectfully await your apology
If your doing 150 km a day then an EV suits, doing 15 km a day and the odd trip of more, a phev suits, if you buy a phev expect to buy and use petrol, the lugging around a battery is just rubbish its the same kg/kwh in both.
I have never planned, I don't particularly like burgers, I don't feel the need to eat/pee/stretch my legs for a reason to charge.
I see a lot of guys saying they never have to wait, then I see more complain that they do, or they prefer to pay a premium to use the few ionity or applegreen sites, I prefer to buy petrol.
I think the model y is a cheap car at the moment, but in all honesty I would buy a k4 phev and save the 3k, probably 6 years or more of fuel use to play with. ideally for a convenience comparison it would be fair to price the k4 against a long range model Y but you know hauling that heavy battery around for no reason.
Every one makes mistakes, apology accepted.
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394408/#Comment_119394408
By the sounds of it an ICE/mild hybrid would nearly be better for your needs? PHEV in my opinion is the worst of both worlds instead of the best. Also added to that ICE, Electric powertrain and large battery just more that can go wrong. But best if luck with it.
I find it strange that someone would buy an EV and regret owning it. If you do your research beforehand, as everyone should making a €40-60k+ purchase, you'll know if it works for you or not.
You can't rely on public charging and we all know the real world range of these cars so provided you have your own charger and don't exceed 300km in a single day I'm not quite sure what there is to regret about EVs?
I don't understand why people think both of these are a better choice, , the ICE has reached is maximum efficiency, mild hybrid is a half arsed attempt at a full hybrid but does help at increasing efficiency, the full hybrid complements the ICE more and only needs a slightly bigger motor, slightly bigger battery and a charging port to make it a phev, I would even bet that just the extra kWh's and the charging port would suffice.
Hardly a simple charging port, that is on every EV is the extra bit to go wrong?
On my 3rd, 4th on the way, great luck so far.
Thank you.
How does doing 15k a day and the odd long trip point you towards a phev? That's a nonsense
Covers most of my journeys on battery, no need to worry about planning, waiting, cold weather, range, length of cable, placement of charge port, number of spaces at a charger, number of chargers, number of people charging, ICEing, subscription plans, 3 different apps at least, 80c/kWh while eating burger king, there could be more.
All of that would have to be considered for my last trip, which only cost around 35 euro of fuel.
