I am out of the country atm, saw a red EV earlier, really nice red, sort of similar to the cherry red of Mazda or Renault. Mid size perhaps similar size to new Niro. Really caught my eye but couldn't make out name on back as was in traffic, but looked like a BYD?. If so the future looks bright..☺️
BYD Atto 3
Depending on the pricing, that can be a big hit world wide.
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I'd say it can go around the biggest island in Ireland several times without charging. With it's new 2019 BMW 530e battery 😎
No regen braking though...
The ferry is ~10mins drive from the last ESB charger (which is actually a 50kW fast charger site); but to get something with say 70km range left up there from Dublin would be an exercise in precision trip planning and probably an overnight stay somewhere. Do it as a bit of an adventure on a warm weekend with a sleeping bag just in case!
And the Fluence can only slow charge, so would need a 4-5 hour charge every time it's empty. But at least it's not ugly 😂
Yea, think that was it. Fine looking bus, but don't think it had the silver strip on the front but looked the better for that. I did notice the wheels looked similar to my old ID.3. I am in SE Asia presently, many cars look familiar but the names mean nothing..
Atto is hugely popular in many SE Asian countries, even Australia.
Well that certainly wasn't a good EV driving experience, I hope you explained to the rental company why they're a bunch of idiots
I'd say it's roughly 50/50 operator Vs hardware issues
Definitely sounds like something was up with that granny cable they gave you, possibly a communication issue with the car
I'm guessing someone before you set the charging power all the way down because they thought they were on a dodgy connection or something. The rental company really should have reset that but they generally can't figure out which hole to insert a key into so not much hope there
One thing I'm confused about, did you connect to a DC charger and have to bump up the charging current to get it to charge?
I'm not familiar with the Polestar, but in general the current limit only affects AC chargers, DC will always go as fast as possible
Kind of brings up another difficulty which is the different charging characteristics of every car. Someone from the rental company really should educate the drivers on this, but again I don't think customer experience is high on their priorities
Going from weirdo to weirder,
It envisions some sort of crystal 3d display, plus the front grill seems to evolve into a smaller part slantier version, I am going to say nothing about the rear end
Is it just me, or does that look a lot like a Yaris (hatchback, not the chunky Yaris crossover)?
Often public chargers don't work and have no worked for weeks or months. Best to check review apps like plugshare and zapmap to see if they have been ok recently. There was a report from UK that 1/5 of all chargers were not working typically.
The granny cable may have been faulty or a night rate charge only at hight or day may have been set. I have received sat navs from hire companies that did not charge.
Typically it's best to plan and check chargers in advance, have the app already downloaded and an account set up. Always have a plan b in case charger is busy, blocked or broken. Similar happens in Ireland too.
I'm terms of an island car consider a Renault Zoe too. I would search for EVs and filter by price. Depending on the car you may want to trickle charge the 12 volt if not driving it for a few weeks or keep a jumper pack handy.
Zoe can be very picky about AC charging though. First off, I would check the grid AC voltage. And I'm not so sure how stable the grid voltage is on a remote island. If you see it go to 250V from time to time, I would forget about a Zoe already. There could be low voltage issues too.
I'll be keen to see their 7 seat offering, the 'Tang'. Retails in Norway & Germany at over €70k at the moment and has a 86kWh LFP battery. Rumours been going around since last year that they are looking to increase this to over 100kWh. Only concerns I would have would be around long term reliability, but they are fast becoming the biggest EV manufacturers on the planet.
BYD also reportedly planning on building a US$1.2 billion EV battery plant with up to 40GWh annual production capcity.
As a Zoe owner I would tend to agree. Sometimes they can just throw a fit if they don't like the charge point. Honestly I would go for something like a Leaf, or perhaps even an eGolf. The non-EV parts should be fairly cheap and readily available.
eGolf is a lovely car, far nicer than it's econobox replacement the ID.3. But it will cost 3 times as much for the cheapest one you'll find compared to a Leaf and @L1011 only needs very little range which would easily be covered by a Leaf or Fluence.
The cheapest and most degraded leaf will do as an island vehicle ad long as they come with the supplied granny charger.
Maybe BMW are trying to appeal to the west and east, look at the front Herr Schmidt, see any thing familiar Toyoda San.
@kanuseeme - very interesting they managed to feck Toyoda San out. Wasn't expecting that. Would love to have been a fly on the wall for that. If they're very quick and radical, they might still survive, without bail out from the Japanese government. That said, if I were them I wouldn't count on the government to do anything. The whole Japanese manufacturing industry has gone to sh1t and their most important one (automotive) has gone to the biggest sh1t.
Problem of course is that quick and radical is opposite to their culture...
I don't think Toyota are going to go wallop, they can continue to make hybrids for a while yet, I would think they will increase production of phev's and EV's for sure, there brand name for reliability is not going away nor is it gambled, take the bxz4gtx or what ever its called, 10 years or more warranty on their battery, that means a lot for some people, I had a conversation the other day, it went like this
Guy buys EV 8 years warranty,
Guy sells EV 4 years later, Guy 2 buys EV and only gets 4 years of use.
I explained that a Ford has 4 years warranty, it does not mean 4 years of use, the engine does not blow up at 4 years and 1 day,
His answer was engines have been around for 100 years, sure they don't blow up.
Then he pointed out the early leafs, pretty much useless now, to which I agreed and I explained the lack of cooling and chemistry,
Range was also a factor he brought up, I explained that you can buy longer range EV's but you take a ID4 you can buy one that has 77 kwh or the lower range one, its confusing for anyone who is new to EV's.
I suggested to get a phev, you can cover your local trips and not worry about range, degradation or charging, he offered to buy mine.
I bought a hybrid 2nd hand 8 years ago, my father said to me never be the first to buy anything new, my point people are cautious and will continue to buy Toyota.
We obviously exist in very different circles, the concept of a bigger battery having a longer range isn't confusing at all for people I talk to about EVs.
I was explaining the difference of range in the same model without any known clues to a non EV expert, obviously bigger battery more range, the question is how do you know, I do not know 24 from 30 or 40 or 64 in the leaf, I could find out alright, before it was petrol or diesel, size engine was a selling point, people made mistakes, paid for it with extra tax or insurance, but hardly a deal breaker.
I mean, it says the WLTP range in the brochure. I know that doesn't mean much in reality but it's pretty quick to see the different battery sizes and put two and two together
WLTP is known to me and you, knock 10 to 20% off, but your assuming a person would know there is more than one battery size and it does not cover a 2nd hand seller who wants it gone, to get his model Y next month.
I cannot tell the difference in the ID4 battery size from looking at the car.
The guy I had the conversation with was also worried about range and degradation , a fact he knew about from the leaf, in his mind all batteries are like that, I could have re enforced his opinion by mentioning Tesla roadster and model S, or even the Hyundai or was it kia replacement batteries, in my mind an engine/gearbox/EV battery or anything like a critical piece of equipment being replaced does not act as a selling point, its the total opposite, I would be questioning how long the replacement lasts, its not quite the same as an airbag or wheel hub recall.
I think your making a mountain out of a mole hill, people are well used to different cars having different spec levels and technical performance characteristics.
We never saw an absolute meltdown in the used car market because people didn't know they were buying the 1l or 1.6l version of the same car.
I am not, I don't care, it was a conversation I had,
I mentioned this earlier, what the worst that can happen if some one did, more tax, more in insurance, with an EV its the charging network, joy and happiness from what I read here.
My point is that people are cautious and will continue to purchase what they know, same can be said for even a hybrid, a majority of people know nothing other than petrol or diesel.
Can't tell the difference? It's written on the side of the car. If it say Pure it's the small battery, Pro is big battery
Takes about 2 mins to Google it
As for the second hand seller, I doubt they're going to misrepresent a 52kWh ID.4 as a 77kWh. Easiest way to get taken to court
I did not know that, thanks, I would have gone into charge history to find out its capacity, if even that was possible.
I have never heard of any 2nd hand car buyer or seller going to court, sold as seen, or caveat emptor, I could be wrong,
I again say it was a conversation with one guy, not on a forum with owners experience, can any one not see that? He had his own concerns I addressed some, agreed with some.
The End.
@kanuseeme - "I have never heard of any 2nd hand car buyer or seller going to court, sold as seen, or caveat emptor, I could be wrong"
You're not wrong. Private sale. Caveat emptor. The only exception is when the buyer asks the seller a question and the seller lies, and the buyer can later prove that in court. Good luck with that.
Can you tell the size of an engine in a corolla from looking at the car?
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