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It's pretty bad, driving on the wrong side of the road, not seeing a lit cyclist! Were they cutting the corner or trying to park? Hope they apologised.
That could have been seriously nasty.
lit cyclist, not unlit.
Apologies, typo corrected.
Report it due to their really poor attitude.
A very odd turn for a car to make at that point in the road, no way for you to anticipate this as you'd already passed the turn onto the Kilmore road, driver is 100% at fault here, hope you gave them hell for that careless driving, you can pass it onto the Gards at Coolock, chances are however that they will do nothing....
Going into the Goblet for a few pints i'd say!
The driver probably had very poor eyesight and got their licence in "the amnesty" too i'd say...
I'd absolutely report it for the attitude alone.
yes, would say the same; if the motorist had put their hands up and apologised, that's one thing. blaming the cyclist after having hit them suggests the best way they could learn a lesson, would be a visit from a guard.
A visit from a guard who will show them the video, hopefully.
100% report, there is no confusion, no discussion here.
Another ignorant pass and pull in. At least this guy had the decency to hold his hands up and apologise for his cretinous behaviour.
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what were you doing continuing up his inside after he'd clearly started to turn in?
What? He was in the cycle lane
It looked like the driver was fully aware that the cyclist was there as it seemed they'd stopped to allow the cyclist to proceed on before turning and then at the last minute proceeded as if they hadn't, which makes sense given they apologised.
There was no way the driver had right of way to proceed with that turn there.
so? i'm not saying the driver is in the right. he proceeded up the inside of an indicating car which had also started to turn. and got as far as you'd expect either way.
Again, the cyclist wasn't on the road!
We're back to the argument that he should have yielded when he shouldn't have to. The driver should have yielded as they didn't have the time to complete the turn without infringing on the cyclist's right of progress.
it's not about right of way; it's about proceeding straight into a clear hazard.
lest it need to be said, the driver was in the wrong.
but proceeding up the inside of a left turning car, even when the driver is in the wrong, is wrong.
your first duty on the road (motorist or cyclist) is to avoid hazards, or creating hazards. the motorist was guilty of the latter, the cyclist of the former.
So you're not saying the driver was in the right but happy to say the cyclist was in the wrong?
For proceeding along a cycle lane has they had every right to do?
Classic victim blaming there.
for the avoidance of doubt.
the motorist was wrong.
the cyclist was wrong.
call it victim blaming if you wish.
Nutgrove Avenue if I recall? Doesn't looked to have changed in the 15 years since I've rode there. I'd not have been in the bike lane there myself as it suddenly dumps you back on the road a touch further up at the small apartments. Then when it starts back up again you'll usually have a car or 3 parked on it.
I will.
The cyclist was not in the wrong here, attaching any blame to them is akin to blaming a girl for wearing a short skirt on a night out.
How it's demarcated? It's as clear as day that it's a cycle lane!
This shouldn't even be up for discussion
say you're driving on the M50, and a car passes you but immediately swerves across in front of you; do you
A) hit the brakes to avoid a collision
B) plough on ahead because, hey, it's your right of way, and they shouldn't have done that?
you do A. you do A every single time because your duty to avoid a collision trumps all else. and you're not an idiot.
this does not alter the fact that the other driver created this situation; but continuiing straight on into an unfolding hazard is wrong.
or a more absurd example (i'm going absurdist as i can't believe this is up for discussion).
say someone has lit a bonfire in the cycle lane in front of you, clearly an outrageously illegal act. do you continue to cycle straight ahead, because it's your right of way and they shouldn't have done that?
There was no collision! The cyclist didn't plough on ahead!
Honestly i have no idea why both of you are persisting in blaming the cyclist here, they were fully aware of the sh1t driving that was about to unfold.
My comparison is right on the money imo, you're both victim blaming. Cyclist should have been more aware, was it actually a cycle lane, cyclist was creating a hazard by being in the cycle lane.
This is the cycling forum isn't it? Seems to me that someone who isn't a regular poster gets treated differently to anyone in the clique.
I am so confused here (as I can't hear the video), legally the motorist is 100% in the wrong, morally the motorist is 100% in the wrong. On an unrelated note, not victim blaming, unrelated to the law, if a car overtakes me indicating, I am prepared for it to turn in. I have no sound so don't know what's happening but would I have done the same as the poster? yes I would but only because I'd be prepped to drop anchor, and I am a selfish enough bollicks that on occasion I'd rather be right than unhurt. Anyone who says that you couldn't see it coming is a liar or new to cycling in Dublin. I'd have let a roar, as soon as the wheel turned or the car slowed, that would have raised the dead. Should I have stopped, well, if giving advice to anyone else, I'd say they were a fool to continue expecting a good outcome. This said, I suspect the poster was like me, without sound, it appears they stop pedalling and they break in time. No harm to give the driver a bit of a scare so they don't act the **** in future. Doesn't mean myself or the poster are right.
Well said, poster was clearly aware of what was unfolding and reacted, then gave the driver a bollicking, i'd have done the same myself.
cram, you're out of the clique.
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