So what does ukraine have to give up for peace,
And what will Putin be getting?
Indeed, just much more advanced and sophisticated. I see Putin having power in Russia as long as he's alive.
It doesn't even need to be that sophisticated, look at N Korea, gulags and indoctrination, basically an entire country imprisoned and working for the sole purpose of feeding a dynasty of family leaders imported lobster while they suffer. Autocracy is very successful if done right, more so in the modern age. Putin just practices a very potent, savvy, form of it.
I think the time to sue for peace was March/April 22 after Putins spectacular failure to take Kiev
My position is that many posters here live in somewhat of an echo chamber and are convinced that a never-ending stream of arms is coming to Ukraine and they will in time win back all lost territory including Crimea. And also that Russia has 100k dead and another 300k wounded or something - last week it was what? 450k casualties? lol
Even US defence officials dont believe that will be the case, so hard to see how it will happen when the people supplying the weapons think its unlikely.
Well of course they do. Maybe I didn't make myself clear. My point was that it would be silly to suggest they do anything else. But on an Irish discussion forum, the allowance of one pejorative for a nationality and not others struck me as a double standard.
In the subject of being misunderstood, people also seem to think I am emotionally invested in the subject of this language, as opposed to objectively curious, or that I'm an apologist for Russia's actions for bringing it up.
It's a feedback loop for their neverending victim complex.
Do you think Ukraine should sue for peace today?
What is your position here, that Ukraine fighting is folly as they are eventually going to get beaten anyway?
Are you serious? Really? Any Ukrainians that I know, roundly curse Putin in particular and his fellow Russians in general for the death and misery they have visited on the world, especially in Ukraine. I don't speak Ukrainian so I don't understand what they are saying, but if facial expressions and gestures are anything to go by, ( spitting is one such gesture, especially when Putins name is mentioned ) it shows the depth of feeling's they have for Russians, and is sure as hell is a lot worse than being called "ORC's". They have absolutely no objection to anyone anywhere calling Russians the most derogatory terms they can think of.
People in the West underestimate the level of control in countries like Russia , it is vastly more open than under pure Communism but it is still operating in a Communistic manner, which is still repression and control in every aspect
No its because they lack ammunition for old soviet equipment,allthough they have captured some ammo depots from the russians.
And the western tanks have better survivability and first hit probability then russian tanks,thats why they need them.
You can believe whatever you want,something thats not new with you
No doubt they've lost more since that article was written both on the field and to mechanical failures etc.
A lot of the MBTs the Ukrainians already had, and what they'd captured to date are inferior to the better T80s and T90s the Russians are using and when encountering them 1v1, the Ukrainians are having to back off, call in backup and attempt to take them on with superior numbers i.e. 3v1 fights. The vastly superior Abrams, Leopards or Challengers wouldn't need to wait, they'd just destroy the T80/T90 in front of them and move on to the next.
Strumms, ( at the risk of going off topic)you are getting hung up on the cost of the war and how it affects taxpayers ( Irish ones, I presume?? anyway.. ) Well enjoy the present level of Irish Taxpayers input, because if Roderick O' Gormans vision /plans work out, it will be regarded as a honeymoon period. He is saying that Ireland will in future have to accept people fleeing not only war torn country's, but fleeing climate change ravaged Country's too, as the criteria for asylum applicants will be broadened to include people fleeing climate change.
Ireland will have to provide asylum for victims of climate change, says ...
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-will-have-to-provide-asylum-for-victims-of...
Not anymore no ,
Or simply put in Western tanks are superior in every aspect
And yet is this is to be believed, why is it they need <100 western MBTs before they can mount the fabled spring offensive?
Perhaps they have lost more tanks than we are led to believe
This is from November last year,so i guess its alot higher now
According to the Dutch warfare research group Oryx, Russia has lost 1,450 tanks since the war began, nearly 900 of which have been damaged or destroyed. The rest were abandoned by the Russians, and many of those ultimately have since been captured by the Ukrainians.
The Ukrainians have suffered large-scale equipment losses as well — some 320 tanks destroyed as of Oct. 19. But what that means is that the Ukrainians may have actually gained tanks in this war — the captured Russian versions amounting to more than the number of their own losses.
Surely Ukraine must have the largest number of tanks now - sure weren't posters on here saying that Ukraine captured more Russian tanks than they had lost?
In storage yes,not operational
Not any more, even if they ever had.
Don’t they have the worlds largest number of tanks with 14,000?
Thats why US,Germany and Norway have ramped up their production of Artillery shells, javelin missiles,and tank ammunition.
U.S. defense officials said last year Ukrainians expended roughly 3,000 rounds a day, while a Pentagon fact sheet issued this week said the U.S. government has already sent over 1 million 155mm rounds to the country.
Prior to the war in Ukraine, the U.S. could build about 14,400 155mm artillery shells a month. But as Ukrainian forces burn through the ammunition for howitzers sent to the country, the U.S. is hoping to ramp up production to roughly 90,000 shells a month, according to a New York Times report this week.
We can produce 240,000 rounds of tank ammunition (120 mm) per year, which is more than the entire world needs,” CEO of German defence industry giant Rheinmetall Armin Papperger told Reuters in an interview.
The Rheinmetall capacity of production 155 mm artillery ammunition can be ramped up to 450,000 to 500,000 per year, said Papperger.
In May and again in September 2022, the Javelin Joint Venture was awarded production contracts for Javelin rounds and support. More than 3,100 of the missiles procured will go toward replacing systems sent to Ukraine.
To meet this new demand, Lockheed Martin is increasing the missile production rate beyond the current 2,100 per year to nearly 4,000 per year.
To increase production to nearly 4,000 per year, Lockheed Martin is ramping up production on its already-active manufacturing line and with Javelin’s supply chain partners
The management of Norwegian defence industry company Nammo has approved an investment of NOK 260 million (about EUR 24 million) in machinery and production equipment to increase 155 mm artillery shell production. The purchase of machinery is necessary both to modernize existing artillery production lines as well as improve capacity, the company said.
Generations of corruption whilst part of Russia was never going to be eliminated in a few short years, especially when like Russia, it was corrupt at the top. Sure Zelensky was elected on an anti-corruption platform, and from day one he had a tough job, corruption was so deeply embedded that had Putin succeeded in taking over, many government and business heads would have kept their jobs. But not anymore, Zelenski is the most powerful man in Ukraine now, and he is fulfilling his election promises. And Good Luck to him!! Slava Ukraini.
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Tell us how long will it take Russia to replace the ,3000 + tanks ,6000 APCs,5000 other vehicles,293 planes ,284 helicopters ,2000 + artillery pieces , cruise missiles ,130,000+ (lowest estimate)dead soldiers and hundreds of thousands injured and incapacitated.
A century ???
Every weapon sent from Russia to Ukraine has to be replaced
I've stated my position on this before: we should re-patriate every Russian living in the West. Send those defending the regime back to be fed into the meat-grinder by it; the oligarchs and their pampered sons and daughters back to experience life without all the trappings of the western world and those who oppose Putin and his oligarchs? Send them home trained, funded and equipped for insurrection.
True, but they can't do much. If you're an average Russian, you certainly can't openly protest it, up to 15 years in a Russian prison is not a joke. It's difficult to even talk about, kids have reported teachers, people in restaurants have been reported and arrested. There's no opposition to rally to, they've all either been imprisoned and murdered.
Autocrats and dictators need internal security and the military on their side and they can effectively control a country pretty much indefinitely, Maduro is still in power after his (continued) economic destruction of the country, Assad is still in power after turning his country into ash, the Burmese military junta are still in power, the Kim dynasty has been in power for three generations, even that idiot Lukashenko is still in power. I'd argue Putin is in a more powerful situation than any of them.
I think it is more about large scale social and psychological manipulation. It's easy to form judgments from here, but our experience of life is a lot different, so it is impossible to form reliable judgments.
We've seen mass protests in China and Iran.... In Russia.... Nothing.
It can't be from fear, Iranian protesters are treated far worse than a fine (for the most part). I'd say Russian's just believe the tripe they are fed. Even as time goes by ans it becomes more obvious to the population, they are too far down the rabbit hole.
When it's all done a dusted and there's an end to the war, wait till ya hear the excuses, we didn't know, we didn't elect him, we were afraid, not for ourselves, for our family and some other aul ballox.
Nah, the best bet is to help the entire Russian population understand just how much Putin and the Oligarchs have stolen from them and arm them if necessary.
Of course, if they already know this information, and aren't revolting, they're either cowards, believe they're somehow benefitting from the current regime (i.e. in a position where the bribes are lucrative) or the sort who admire other criminals' success while dreaming about replicating it themselves.
The oligarchs can't do much against the GRU and internal security, who are the ones really running the show over there. People are falling out of windows at the rate of knots and there's a reason for that
I think the general population in Russia is pretty powerless. The best bet is if the elites turn on him. Therefore the best strategy is to give the elites good reason to. However I understand that this group largely owe their power and money to Putin, depend on him, and are not immune to being harmed by him.
Over-egging the pudding there mate.
Industrial and economic capacity in the West and NATO is far far superior to Russia.
Russia has to go to the begging pool for economic powerhouses such as Iran and North Korea!
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