Government's secret plan to block repayment of illegal nursing home charges

The key question here is would the people here who are piling on the 2010 government have accepted that all their EBS, AIB, TSB and BOI savings be written off Argentina style if the government allowed all of the €12 Billion in claims and litigations to go ahead without challenge in 2010? Every family in the country with a tenuous connection to a nursing home since the 70's would have stuck in a claim, bankrupting the countries banks.

There is no magic money tree in the back garden of the Ministry of Finance.

Every family in the country could make a claim as it was.

But the strategy they chose was to settle with everyone, and just make the process to get there more difficult.

So in all likelihood it was wealthier families less likely to deserve a payout that got it.

And again 12 billion was the upper estimate.

With a redress scheme they could have paid less to genuine claimants over several years.

€ 12 Billion was the upper estimate? What was the lower estimate?

We were so fcuked in 2011 that Britain had to give us a €3.8 billion loan to save the UK branches of our own banks.

We needed an IMF bailout to stop the Irish branches of those banks closing down.

They wouldn't have done that if Ireland was in hoc for another €12 Billion.

Everybody's savings go poof.

I have never heard so much faux indignation in a thread here.

Short sighted idiots who can't or pretend they can't see the big picture as to what was going on in 2011.

You really think that when everybody saw there was money to be had by putting in a claim, the figure would still have been under a Billion?

No. Every Tom, Dick and Harry with a tenuous link to a nursing home would have been in.

As Roy Keane used to say, cloud cuckoo land.

So for the public portion of this 12 billion figure that's been bandied about quite happily by FFG.

The upper estimate for this part was 5 billion.

A settlement scheme was introduced in 2016.

Cost to date is 453 million. 35,000 applicants, 20,000 deemed eligible.

A further 1.7 million expected to be paid out this year.

It looks though that some of those deemed ineligible were actually eligible.

The government were also aware of this and still tried not to pay out, successfully managing it seems in some cases.

This is for patients in public nursing homes who had their pensions taken away.

This part of the rip off occurred since 2016.

https://www.thejournal.ie/nursing-homes-simon-harris-5985463-Feb2023/

FF and FG now face losing a lot of their older voters and even some younger voters who have seen their parents and grandparents ripped off by FFG/Lab governments over this matter. It has become a multi-generational vote loss issue for these parties. If there are Motions of No Confidence over this, every FF/FG/Green (and Labour) TD that votes for the government will risk losing their seat at the next GE. FF and FG might be lucky if they both return about 20 seats each. The Greens might return 2 seats. Labour has pre-existing problems. For many FF and FG TDs, the choice will be between having a future as a TD after the next GE or supporting the government in an MoNC. It is going to be a rough time for FFG/Lab supporters watching their party's support drop as people get angrier about this issue.

Regards...jmcc

Combined? 🤣🤣🤡

The current polls put them on 75-80 between them! Do you even know how the PRSTV system translates into seats in Dáil Éireann?

40 seats, oh dear, that gave me a giggle.

Apologies you are correct, that redress scheme was introduced in 2006. But yes only after the supreme court challenge.

I believe it stands up that the 12 billion figure related to incorrect charges to public and private patients.

7 billion for private and 5 billion for public. And again that was the upper estimate.

https://www.thejournal.ie/nursing-home-charges-controversy-5983345-Jan2023/

There was, and there remains some legal uncertainty over what obligation the state had to wealthier patients with medical cards.

FFG are trying to spin it that this uncertainty applied to all these cases. Knowing full well it didn't.

😂 You must be so proud!

There is no way Labour will vote with the government in any no confidence votes, they will be trying to keep and also gain more votes..

And this makes it right?

As I have said before current polling not future polling. If a new poll comes out over the next 2 weeks, the polling results will be much different.

Current polls are no longer valid after what has been released over the past week. Future polls will rightly show that FFG will be lucky to get 40 seats.

How do you come to this conclusion Einstein? This has effected a lot of their core voters and their families. Let's remember what you have written after the next election as you will be eating lots of pie, humble pie.