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Home ownership rates went up in the 1990s, that was the period when it was easy to buy a house, but the 1980s were not an easy time, many a family couldn't put food on the table, and there were no holidays, or nights out or anything like that.
"Mortgage interest rates hit the high teens in the early 1980s. It was not a time for a family to be buying a house, and was far more difficult to finance than it is today"
Yet - home ownership rates in 1981 (74.4%) was higher than 2021 (70%)
1981 taken from here
2021 taken from here
Interest rates were high but so was wage inflation. A lot of that generation would say the first few years were painful until inflation worked its magic.
Mortgage interest rates hit the high teens in the early 1980s. It was not a time for a family to be buying a house, and was far more difficult to finance than it is today.
Just look at the couple on tv last night. They were living with his parents in the family home until recently until they moved into the apartment owned by his parents. WTF? They had some cheek complaining about affordability coming from a landlord family.
The illegal nursing home rip off is Q1 on Leaders Questions.
The coalition of chaos is doing it's level best to alienate and piss off every age group in the electorate.
That is a lie. The decision to stop building social housing at the rate necessary was taken by FF the late 1990s. Their theory was that the market (in reality, crony developers) would provide. It did not work out and the economically incompetent gombeen Ahern/Cowen regimes only made it worse with the property bubble.
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Ah here, you obviously didn't live though the 1980s.
Housing was even more difficult than now.
80s were better than what we have now no water charges no bin charges more housing and hospitals we were doing a lot better before ff and fg came along and gavce the country to the bankers and the develpoers
Ah yes. SF. the party who doesnt recognise the authority of the court, the party with links to folks who attack the police and know where the bodies are buried around the borders, the party with an ex-FF member as its leader in the south, a no name leader in the north, with claims of being an all island party but having directly opposed positions on the same issues depending on whether its NI or ROI, and ultimately the party with no costings or ability to pay for their magical money tree.
Within a couple of years of an SF lead government, we'd be back to the 80s.
Such wonderful jobs we have now. Sure after a few week or two you might have enough for your own tent to live in.
Better not get sick though.
And some nothing right-wing cesspit like 'gript' is going to be the arbiter of 'basic standards' of journalism is it?
Mainstream media. Fake news... blah... blah... blah....
This is a complete misunderstanding.
The population was declining, there was no problem building enough social housing to keep everyone housed because you were only replacing existing stock in rural areas with housing stock in cities.
People harking back to the 1950s as a golden age of housebuilding don't understand the differing economic contexts. When they are calling for us to go back to that, they are also harking back to those terrible economic times. As I keep saying, our problems with housing are problems of success.
We are creating jobs, we are an attractive place to move to live in rather than a place to leave behind. That is a completely different challenge to the 1950s that was an economic wasteland.
Its not remotely shouting fake news. Its asking why basic standards of journalism, that apply to reporting on anything, weren't observed in this case.
Theres no evidence whatsoever that "clearly something disgusting happened". Thats the problem.
It's just muck and calling for distraction. And yes it is shouting 'fake news'.
If the IT did have footage there are several good reasons they might not have released it.
Clearly something disgusting happened at that homeless camp, stop trying to deflect and minimize it.
There was housing. FF and FG managed to build enough social housing to keep everyone housed. The economy was still quite protectionist and there were some large factories and heavy industry. Emigration was used as a safety valve by governments. There were also hospitals. It was a decision made by FFers in the late 1990s to stop building social housing and let the market supply housing that things went off the rails.
Did you even bother to read any of the half of the article I quoted? Its not calling the Irish Times fake news in anyway, it repeatedly says we should assume the best about anything they publish. I'll summarize it even more for you if that helps, the key points it makes were:
Do those facts (note, not opinions) not seem strange to you? What sort of journalist is literally at the scene of a major crime as its happening, with a camera, and gets zero evidence of it or its aftermath?
Put things in a more neutral scenario for perspective - lets say the Irish Times ran a story about Leinster fans rioting outside the Aviva with baseball bats attacking Munster fans, and claimed to have been there before, during, and after the brutal assault. But all they had to show for this was footage of Munster fans before the riot looking peaceful. They had absolutely zero footage of said riot, of any Leinster fans in the area at all, or any aftermath of the riot (injuries or destruction). And there were no Garda reports of any injuries or complaints filed about any riot... Would you wonder about the truth of the story?
That graph is very interesting:
FF seem to be history in the greater Dublin area ( going on this graph ). They are only 4th most popular. Oh to be a fly on the wall in Bertie’s office 🤣
Tldr It's the 'fake news' media.
Also are you telling me it's ok to turn up at a homeless shelter with dogs and baseball bats in itself?
The line for you is serious physical assault?
You mean the 50's when there was no housing or hospital care?
Looks like we're heading there alright.
What right direction are they promising a step in? Because I can't see it. All I can see is a country returning to the 1950s when emigration was the norm, the population was falling and economic misery stalked the land.
That is up to the people and as much as I would like to see an end to FF, FG and SF it is up to the people to do it. The fact that housing crisis is impacting on all sections of society in this country could see FF and FG decimated but then again SF are not exactly setting the world alight either. It will be a case of something like 2011 happening to see FF and FG removed from power, even in 2011 FG did their best to lose that election. I know when I vote there will be no preferences for FF, FG or Green representatives.
Lots of problems with that story emerging apparently. Gript link I know, but a stopped clock is right twice a day etc:
"In the first instance, the Garda statement on the matter, included at the very end of Kitty Holland’s report, does not particularly lend credence to the claim that there was a dramatic armed assault on a camp full of migrants:
A Garda spokesman confirmed there had been an “incident on River Road. Gardaí responded quickly and engaged with those present. There was no report of any injuries and no formal complaints made at this time.
Contrast this with the headline of the piece:
“Men with dogs, sticks and baseball bat attack Dublin migrant camp”
It is fair, I think, to say, that if men with dogs and sticks and a baseball bat attacked others, and there were no injuries, then there was either immense good fortune involved, or interpretations of the word “attack” may vary.
But let us move on to the biggest question in the report: There is no doubt – none whatsoever – that the Irish Times had cameras on the scene. In fact, Holland’s report includes a video report from the migrant camp itself, showing what appears to be the camp before any attack took place. There is footage of one man sleeping in a tent. There is a football. There is a pair of shoes, hanging from a branch. There is no evidence of any attack, or damage to any of the tents.
Now, we know three things, directly from Holland’s report, which pose questions:
The group of men arrived at about 12.45pm at the encampment, comprised of about 15 tents in a forest area, on the bank of the Tolka river on River Road, near the Ashtown pound…..
…..When interrupted by The Irish Times and asked why they were attacking the camp, the men – all white, Irish – alleged the residents had been involved in an assault locally.
……Gardaí arrived at the camp shortly after the men and dogs left, and spoke to those living there. One, a Polish man (20) told The Irish Times he had been hit several times with a baseball bat. Visibly distressed, he said his arm was not broken. “I have strong bones, but the tendons are sore”.
What we know is that the Irish Times was present before, during, and after the alleged attack. And we know from the footage of the area that the Irish Times had a camera present. And yet.
There is no footage of the attack. There is no footage of the attackers. There is no footage of the aftermath of any attack. The Irish Times, we are told, actually interviewed several of the attackers, but did not record them, or get them on camera. There is no evidence of anything other than the existence of the migrant camp itself.
I do not know the reasons for this, but as an editor myself, let me tell you: If Ben or Fatima or any other Gript reporter was on the scene of an incident like this and failed to get any publishable footage at all, they would be in the doghouse, to put it very mildly."
https://gript.ie/the-remarkable-holes-in-the-irish-times-migrant-attack-story/
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ive been a shinner for years, but I have no idea what they'd be like in government. the problem now though is how many more times do we do the same thing (elect basically the same parties) and expect a different result? There comes a time when you just have to take a chance.
I'd sooner not vote for them, links to crime figures, nationalist history etc. I also think the quality of candidate drops of steeply after the core figures. (Are ffg much better in that regard?)
But at the same time, they're at least promising a step in the right direction and I think some of their main players are a step above ffg's.
I'd much prefer a traditional 'Social Democrat' party but no-one else on the cards.
If SF don't cut the mustard maybe someone else will step up. But we at least need to get started, not slipping further back. FFG out.
Out of the frying pan into the fire with that lot
Yes get rid of finna fail and finna gael Sinn Fein have been waiting to put this countruy right housing health education they will sort us out if we look after them in the eloection.
The spirit of Bertie lives on!
How'd that work out the last time?
Someone in governments been watching gladiator
They're giving the people what they want throwing out handouts and bumping social welfare
But they fixcccccsssssshhhhheeeeeeedddddd the road.
Again I don't think SF are going to fix everything, or am I particularly fond of them.
But surely it's clear things are hopeless with this lot.
My suspicion is some in Fine Fail will have realized the FFG brand is toxic. They'll try to collapse the coalition from within and reclaim a historical centre left position. Meehole will have to go first though.
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