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Did the Americans put a man on the moon?

RedGableDave

My view, for the record, is of course they did.

However, I have listened to many people explain to me that there is no way it happened with various views like the following:

I cant drive from Donegal to Cork without refilling with diesel so there is no way they could get there
A picture of the footprints on the moon alongside Neil Armstrongs boots - obviously not matching
It is impossible to fly through the deadly Van Allen radiation belts
America and the USSR were working together which is why the USSR did not call them out as faking it.

Obviously these range from the sublime to the ridiculous.

So, can anyone give me their top three reasons for believing that it was all made up.

If I hear any arguement that I cannot refute then I will change my mind from obviously they did to OK, maybe they didnt.

My wife would be delighted!

Thank you.

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Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120168079#Comment_120168079

All the scandals and leaks about Trump. Likewise Johnson. US presidents can't even keep secret documents without being found out.

But a gigantic conspiracy involving millions of people, who never gossip, where documents are never found - no problem whatsoever. A walk in the park.

[Deleted User]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HPH3xpE6qA

another great video from Astrum.

It details the successes of the recent Artemis missions and has some great footage from it.

Particularly ones at 9:09 and 10:42 that I think are pretty relevant given how Markus's original appearance on the forum was falsely claiming there were no pictures of Earth from space.

According to him, all of the things in the video are fake, and all of the people involved are part of a conspiracy to keep people away from realising the Earth is flat.

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167332#Comment_120167332

Phone and GPS signals have nothing to do with a view of the sky.

Really? Get a watch with GPS built-in, or your car sat nav, or a phone and turn off mobile data and leave the GPS turned on. Now go to the bottom floor of a multi story car park, or a church, or pretty much any building with a solid roof. (don't drive your car into the building, do that test in a car park), or even a dense forest in the summer when there are plenty of leaves on the trees.

Do you get a location fix based on the GPS signal?

You didn't explain to us how many of your ground based GPS transmitters there are, or where exactly they are located? Also GPS most definitely does work in the middle of oceans, so how do the ground based transmitters work for the middle of oceans?

Edit: ... And how do undersea cables make mobile phones work exactly?

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120154272#Comment_120154272

This video is awesome BTW. Such an incredible achievement, no wonder the credulous don't believe it happened

(by credulous I mean too ready to believe things with no evidence, while the moon landings were incredible, which literally means impossible to believe even if the evidence to support them are overwhelming. It's a funny juxtaposition of meanings that make me chuckle)

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120154809#Comment_120154809

I think that's a recording of my 20th attempt to land on the Mun in Kerbal Space program

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167332#Comment_120167332

A reminder: the "physics based debate" was you arguing that rockets cannot work in space because there is no air and ended up with you tying yourself into a knot when it was pointed out that your concept of physics contradicted itself.

You promptly ignored this and changed the subject.

And yes too many people would need to be involved in your conspiracy.

You are claiming that all scientists are involved.

ForestFire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167962#Comment_120167962

Sorry to jump in on such an interesting topic, but I must correct some inaccuracies here:-

The reason the Oval Office indiscretion got out was that one of the participants reported it to the media for personal gain.....

She just couldn't hold in any longer.....poor girl😉

So nobody's going to swallow that cock and Bill story!!😃

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167962#Comment_120167962

Lewinsky was practically a teenager at the time. Bill should have known how gossipy they are. I can assure you the blowjobs that Trump, Macron, Draghi, Johnson, Winnie the Pooh, Putin, LeGarde are all coming from more mature women who know where their bread is buttered and will forever remain behind closed doors.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167658#Comment_120167658

It really, really doesn't. It and the tech behind it disproves your point. I struggled to type "point".

And it's not a "cop out? It's one of those uncomfortable realities, though reality can be a strange bedfellow for moon landing conspriacy types

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167658#Comment_120167658

The US president couldn't get a blowjob with an intern in the privacy of the Oval Office without the world finding out.

Your conspiracy that all of space flight is faked involves vast numbers of people keeping a perfect secret over 50 years. The hundreds of thousands from NASA alone, the hundreds of thousands of space agency employees and staff from Russia, China, Japan, Europe and all the world's space agencies. People involved in the satellite industry, from TV companies to Google to GPS. A huge tract of science, physicists, astronomers, etc. The private space flight industry, Musk, Bezos, Virgin and their employees.

Can't keep a secret between three married men, but millions of people for half a century, no prob.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167502#Comment_120167502

The "too many people would have to keep it a secret" argument is a well known cop-out among the sceptics of this forum and the internet in general. Anyone who has ever worked for any company would know that this is bollocks.

Why are you showing that flightradar24 image? That proves my point perfectly!

Bogwoppit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167332#Comment_120167332

Ah good man Markus. Thanks for clearing things up a little there for us.

You're correct about the radar black spot over the ocean, what’s the explanation? Well it’s not distance surprisingly, it’s the curve of the earth!

Now, I’m sure you’ll disagree with me (more likely you’ll just ignore me), you’ll probably claim that it is due to the distance. Little fly in the ointment there though, I’m lucky enough to get to fly business class across the Atlantic and even the pacific sometimes and guess what? I can make phone calls from the middle of the ocean!! Amazing stuff altogether this satellite technology.

Now I’m sure you’ll say actually the signal is just bouncing off radar masts or some such fantasy stuff, but then what about the navigational black spot?

Backed yourself into an aul corner there Marko me little matey.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167332#Comment_120167332

Ah, so similar to the physics-based debate, I see the technological-based debate getting too hot to handle for you? And now we are resorting to the "Too many people would have to keep it a secret" fallacy? Such a pity...

Well they would. Too many people, including America's enemies at the very height of the Cold War, one of the main reasons for the Space Race in the first place. If the US had spotted Sputnik or Gargarin and all the other Soviet firsts in space were all fake, according to your fantasy they'd ignore that and/or were somehow in cahoots with each other to fake it for public consumption. Do you realise how utterly mental that sounds?

I note you avoided the film/video stuff. We'll you clearly know bugger all about either so par for the course. As for your "well known fact of aeronatics" you're spouting utter piffle there too. Again read some books, or ask a pilot, one that's been flying the last 20 years. There are radar deadzones in the middle of oceans, or certain landmasses where the lack of ATC and radar means you're more on your own. There aren't GPS blackspots. This is 24 carat bollocks of the finest quality. Get the app Flightradar on your phone.

See all those tracked aircraft? They use a combination of things to display this information, primarily ADS-B which uses guess what SatNav and ground based locators. It actually relies far more on satnav/GPS over oceans.

And for a tech that according to you only accounts for 1% of comms(it doesn't. More bollocks), it's worth 30 billion a year as an industry.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167024#Comment_120167024

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120167097#Comment_120167097

Phone and GPS signals have nothing to do with a view of the sky. If it did, planes wouldn't have a 3+hour navigational blackspot over expanses of ocean upon which they have to rely on straight-line trajectory and dead-reckoning to get within range of the radar of their destined airport. This is a well known fact of aeronautics. If satellites were so useful then Elon Musk would have sent one of his many thousands of satellites up to address this problem in the aviation industry...

There is a lot of ignorance of how radar and cellular communications work on the internet, even despite the fact that 99% of communications occur by undersea cable.... Surely NASA, given that they recieve billions in funding a year, could have modified the google algorithms to credit more than 1% of communications load to their (and Elon Musk's) satellite systems?

I guess the 1% lie is sufficient to be peddled to the gullible. If this thread is anything to go by, it's working after all... 🙄

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164697#Comment_120164697

Everyone knows Poland cannot into space

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166884#Comment_120166884

Sorry, I missed the bit about "GPS companies usually have contracts with all network providers". Lol

Which GPS companies are these? Can you name any examples which have contracts with mobile phones network companies? Why does GPS work on tablets without mobile network connection, or watches and fitbits etc? Who is paying for the GPS service to those devices?

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166884#Comment_120166884

Where are these ground based GPS signal transmitters?

Why does GPS and mobile network signals behave differently depending on view of the sky or if you are indoors? Mobile phone voice and data works fine in most indoor environments, GPS signal does not work without a view of the sky and even heavy tree cover will mess with the location.

You can see the identity of various GPS satellites you are connected to in real-time on your GPS device or phone, depending on model and software installed. If GPS is ground based how many transmitters are their globally? How does GPS work at sea?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166884#Comment_120166884

Are there satellites in orbit yes or no?

Why are you unable to answer this simple question fundamdental to your entire premise?

You are making a statement of fact about satellites which is entirely without merit or foundation, disproved by tech in daily use by you and households across the country.

Your premise is impossible.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166884#Comment_120166884

That is absolutely not true. There are films from the 1920s that use slow motion all the time so stop trying to peddle this ridiculous notion that slow motion is high-tech and not possible in the 60s and 70s. All you have to do is adjust the speed of the reel 😣

Film not video. You do understand the difference? This is terribly basic stuff here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVNTNeNMH8Q

Video above, not film. Learn the difference. Learn something for pity's sake.

Apparently shot in slomo by a video tech that didn't exist yet, with back and forth chatter, telemetry and bio readings between the ground and the Moon and the physics of lower gravity and a vacuum, on a flat Earth soundstage by Kubrick, while all who worked on it, the crew, the engineers, the scientists of many disciplines, the Brits, Aussies, the commie Russians and the Chinese were bought off in their many hundreds of thousands to keep quiet about it. Aye, that's not insane in the membrane as a theory alright...

GPS works in the exact same way mobile phones do. The only difference being that GPS companies usually have contracts with all network providers which means, unlike mobile phones, they can ping off any antenna to calculate location.

Phones use ground-based antennae, GPS uses ground-based antennae. Anyone who understands how radio signals work knows this.

Satellites have nothing to do with any technology we use.

OK. We're not in Kansas anymore folks.

Bogwoppit

Ah Markus you’re a gas man altogether

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166707#Comment_120166707

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166245#Comment_120166245

Phones use ground-based antennae, GPS uses ground-based antennae. Anyone who understands how radio signals work knows this.

Satellites have nothing to do with any technology we use.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165816#Comment_120165816

Christ... People on the ground, hundreds of them in mission control were interacting back and forth with astronauts on the Moon in real time. They'd have to fake the audio, video, even monitoring of their vital signs, suit pressures, with people asking them to look at this geological feature or other and the astronauts responding, again in real time, while passing all those back and forth signals through a relay on the Moon, so the Soviets, Chinese, British and any other agency with the gear to listen and track its source. That's every radio telescope and a load of research centres and universities on Earth, many of which were helping track and relay data for NASA when their kit was out of range because of the rotation of the Earth.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166171#Comment_120166171

Good god man, you are talking utter nonsense and with every post you fire up thinking it aids your case proves it. Again you're proving you haven't a bull's notion how film or video works and how it works in the real world. Research the history of slow motion capture and display technology in video cameras and production. In the late 60's and early 70's they didn't even have video cameras capable of recording slow motion for much more than a minute. The sports instant replay with slow motion we'rre familiar with today wasn't invented until after the last Apollo landing and it couldn't replay more than 90 seconds.

Maybe try reading the "blabber", you might actually learn something. Though at this stage the phrase of bringing a horse to water springs readily to mind. Ask any professional camera man or woman to read the same "blabber" and they will confirm every single point, because y'know clearly unlike you, they actually understand what they're talking about.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166192#Comment_120166192

And the Russians.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166340#Comment_120166340

Even though it is the satellites that discredits the entire premise more so even than GPS...

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166197#Comment_120166197

I think they're trying to imply in their round about way (as they will never admit what they actually believe) that gps can work without satellites just using radio waves, the fact you can see the satellites is neither here nor there.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164697#Comment_120164697

Are you telling us you can't tell the difference between B movie footage and actual footage?

Again, you're disproving your points with this nonsense. Nobody would look and that and think it's real.

robinph

So radios can't work without satellites?

No, the other way round. Satellites are not much use without radio, they can "work" in that they can be satellites without radio... But that would make them pretty pointless if they had no way of communicating in one or both directions.

The GPS, and other similar systems like Gallileo, work with radio and on board atomic clocks.

Have you ever noticed that your GPS watch, or in car system, loses signal if inside a thick walled building, or on driving through a tunnel or in the bottom of a multistorey carpark? Doesn't that suggest to you that they are picking up their signals from something up in the sky somewhere?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166171#Comment_120166171

It's obvious from the way you keep trying to dodge the question you know it discredits your entire premise.

So I'll repeat the question as it is fundamental to everything that follows:

GPS works by satellites and radio waves.

So satellites are real right? You accept that?

ps Let's not forget you already discredited your entire premise by posting a video taken from orbit. In trying to claim the moon landings were faked, you implicitly proved space travel was possible.

robinph

Every independent GPS software developer and chip designer writing the code to calculate the location on earth based on the timings received by the satellite constellation is also in on the conspiracy, as is ESA and anyone working on the Gallileo constellation too.

You'd have thought that ESA would have noticed that GPS was fake before wasting all that money and resources on creating their own fake. Why didn't they just expose the US system as fake rather than create a duplicate fake? Having multiple fake setups of GPS equipment is surely opening things up to much greater risk of them all being exposed?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166120#Comment_120166120

It's blabber whether it's said verbally or in text format.

The rationalization was using actual knowledge of how slo motion footage is achieved along with a Kodak film calculator available at this link:

https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/film-calculator

Here's a video that dispels the witchcraft that you think would need to be involved to get your 45 mins of continuous footage (that you have no proof is live)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2WBBgqV21s&ab_channel=PLASTIEK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166017#Comment_120166017

So radios can't work without satellites?

Goodness me, I feel like a man from the future gone back in time 300 years...