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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Itsame Mario


    Some nice fantasy land you're living in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Itsame Mario


    Perhaps Russia have, I never stated who has lost more simply that both sides have lost huge amounts of men and that is a situation I'd like to see stop, I personally don't want to see either side get annihilated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Itsame Mario


    I'd say it's worth a try. Even if Russia were to sign an agreement and breaking in 2 or 3 years that would give Ukraine 2 or 3 years to receive more equipment and to train in the use of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,006 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Peace can only come when Russia leaves Ukraine. Until then, every Ukrainian killed is a crime, every invading Russian killed something to be celebrated.

    Russia, as it is today, is not worth saving. I'm sure there are millions of good Russians and I'm equally sure that their lives would be better if they weren't being "governed" by an organised crime gang. Putin and his oligarchs have stolen billions from the Russian people, wasted the lives of their young men and brutally oppressed any attempts to democratically elect an alternative government. The annihilation of the Russian people wouldn't be appealing to anyone but the end of it's current regime is not only appealing, it's necessary for global peace.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It worked perfectly in Kharkiv and Kherson,cant see why it shouldnt work again

    And you dont have to rely on air support like in the gulf war,because either Russia or Ukraine have air superiority.

    You have Himars and brimstone as stand off with prescion guided missiles instead,and Ukraine have recived many mobile air defence units lately to follow the armoured spear head.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,660 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Of course you don't. As a newly registered Russian bot, you will not like to see the worst of Russian society and some unfortunate eastern Russian mobiks being mowed down at the behest of your glorious leader.

    This could all stop in a heartbeat if your lot would go back to Russia and stay there, leaving everyone else alone.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Ah here we go, "blindly spew out Sky News". Please do inform us Mario, which sources of media you prefer?

    There are hundreds of competing news media outlets, represented by thousands of competing journalists from scores of countries which do not censor or control their media allowed completely free reign in Ukraine. Yet you cannot can any of your "so called western media" to back up your lies can you Mario?



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There will be no peace untill Russia is defeated or leave Ukraine,because Russia have occupied territory with alot of natural gas and minerals worth billions,and are crucial for Ukraines future.

    So untill Russia leaves or are defeated,there will be no peace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    I believe in the truth and I know you are a peddler of lies, you have proven it here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Itsame Mario


    Collins signed over the six counties to try and get peace for the majority of the country. The majority of Ireland view him as a hero rather than a traitor (rightly or not depends on your position). There is a direct comparison- should Zelensky be willing to sign over parts of Ukraine to Russia? That's a question for those involved to decide. Maybe Russia might withdraw from Donbass if Crimea was handed over to them, who knows. To be honest I dont live in Ukraine, whether Russia gets to keep one bit of land or a other is a decision they will have to make, or have already made and we will see how the consequences of that decision play out. Maybe Ukraine pushes Russia back to its initial borders, maybe Russia takes the whole of Ukraine, we will have to wait and see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You use HIMMARs, PZ2000 and similar howitzer systems to pound the enemy positions. UA is getting a substantial amount of these at present these mobile artillery platforms are very effective if used right along with drones

    The MBT then provide close support artillery backup and prevent the opposing army from getting there heavy armour and lighter artillery into the fight. The Bradley's and other APV's provide mobility. But you need dry ground as you do not want to be operating along roads which caught the Russians early last year

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,006 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    If Russia aren't willing to do that, negotiations are pointless. Allowing Russia to keep any Ukrainian territory is rewarding them for their crimes and gives Putin and his thugs something they can propagandise as a win for their leadership, something that will ultimately lead to further bloodshed when they try their next attempt at Ukraine (or another of their peaceful neighbours).

    The sooner negotiations can begin the better, but as negotiations can't begin until Russia leaves Ukraine, the best way to get there quickly (outside of direct intervention i.e. NATO boots on the ground which would be a *very* high risk move) is to give the Ukrainian defence forces whatever they need to kill every Russian on their land or force them to retreat back to Russia.

    Also, as has been pointed out many times already, Russia can't be trusted to stick to any agreements reached in negotiations. This entire conflict is in direct contravention to the Budapest Memorandum which the Russian Federation were principal signatories of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Itsame Mario


    I wasnt aware I was employed as your or any other personers personal researcher, I thought this was a forum to have a discussion. I have provided more than enough information for people to do their own research, given names, approximate timeliness etc. If you wanna ban me from this thread or the site in general I'm sure I'll somehow learn with the loss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,043 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The "proxy war" and "NATO is prepared to fight until the last Ukrainian" lines are straight from the Kremlin. These lines are being repeated on Russian TV every night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Itsame Mario


    Corrected, right. Do you actually belive that Ukraine has obly lost 13,000? Don't you think its possible that propaganda might be the reason for that "correction"? Ah, believe what you like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Itsame Mario


    Im not against Russia withdrawing their troops, I'm simply stating that negotiations are the best way to secure some sort of peace. I'm not saying peace has to be under Russian terms, negotiations will likely involve an agreement which neither side are 100% in favour of but manages to satisfy both sides in some fashion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭gk5000




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Itsame Mario


    It is a proxy war and Zelenskyy himself has said that Ukraine is willing to fight to the last Ukrainian. What exactly is your point?



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It doesnt matter if Ukraine have lost 300k soldiers,they are still in the fight and will be untill the Russians leave,its that simple.

    And there will be no peace untill they do

    Now have you got something else creative to come up with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I don't know the exact figure of Ukraine's losses. I do know they haven't needed to mobilise and extra hundread of thousands like Russia have. I know they have only visually lost 1/3 the armour as Russia have. There's no evidence of Ukrainian troops being used as cannon fodder, no evidence of Ukrainian troops leaving their wounded behind to die. No evidence of railway carts filled with dead servicemen like the Russians packed to the roof in Ukrainian railway carts.

    So in light of the above, I could make an educated guess that Russia have lost more troops than Ukraine have.

    But you cling to the retracted statement that Ukraine had lost 100k if it makes you cope better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Itsame Mario




  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Then i suggest you come up with proof of your claims or simply leave



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Guys can we just nip this one in the bud before it gets into the triple digit post count? It's scuttering up the thread. We all know the pattern at this stage.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You're very aware of the difference, so you put the wrong thing in brackets as if it was synonymous? The US are not claiming there are greater than 100k KIA

    Also VdL said that there was 100,000 officers killed. Which is self-evidently incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    Russia has just declared it will surrender, pay for all damage and give back all the children and babies. If you don't believe me just do your own research, don't be so lazy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,679 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Agreed. We need a better quality bot. This one sounds just like it's predecessors - make outrageous claim, yell about not doing your research for you, deny, deflect, lie.


    Sigh. Slow day on Orwell Street.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,006 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    My boss would like a word... I've spent the last hour and a bit listening to this. Really interesting insight into the reality of the situation in Bakhmut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The collapse in Kherson was due to good work of precision long range artillery/bombing of a few key bridges the russian relied on to supply their garrison. It wasnt a combined arms tanks and infantry overrunning russian positions, they retreated because they knew eventually they would be cut off from behind due to bridges and pontoons being cut.

    Kharkiv was more maneuver warfare with fast advances causing the understrength russian mobik garrisons to retreat, and their failure to prepare any kind of defensive line (trench digging equipment embezzled by one of the Russian healy-raes), meant that they either had to yield ground or die. Many died, but they still had to yield all the ground. That was more like Soviet "deep-battle" tactics, taking advantage of the Russians trying to hold an entire front with a weak elastic defense, by attacking multiple points with quick moving armor and DRGs. When they did get the breakthrough they sped well ahead undermining the entire russian defense. But it wasnt reliant on aircraft or artillery - Ukrainian artillery at the time could scarcely keep up with the rate the DRGs were pushing into occupied territory.

    Artillery and infantry as combined arms, where have I heard that before. Ah yes, WW1 style "combined arms" - trenches and relying on rolling artillery barrages to advance. The MBTs are no good in the advance without infantry support due to high prevalence of ATGMs around, and the infantry are no good under the face of artillery barrages. Counter battery is the name of the game (in the absence of air superiority, which no side has), and right now Ukraine do not have enough artillery to do counter battery effectively.

    The substantial amount of artillery pieces given to Ukraine is not 'at present', that was all last year. The deliveries have slowed down a lot, along with shells, both of which are what they really need if they want to take back the occupied territories.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    People were saying the same before Kherson and the area around Kharkiv were liberated. That fundamentally alters any framework for negotiation and its why nations fight.

    Saying "all wars end in negotiation so let's skip straight to there" is historically obtuse. Most conflicts do (not all) but the outcome of the armed conflict is what drives the negotiation. You can't just skip one step. There is no common ground to negotiate over because Ukraine is not willing to leave its citizens under Russian occupation to be abducted, raped and murdered.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Itsame Mario


    I suggest you do your own research. But that's probably a bit much to ask isn't it.



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