I wonder how this will work out for him
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Burke's behaviour and actions have landed him with prison, court orders and now daily fines. They are documented facts.
He could have avoided all that and pursued his legal matter properly and professionally, still legitimately arguing his point.
The entire article is an opinion piece. Not factual. Anyone can write an opinion piece on anything.
Fair enough that was not linked. Thanks for the information. Based on only being an opinion piece I retract my statements.
"Burke, who was suspended from the teaching staff last August for refusing to obey the school’s instruction to respect the student’s chosen name and pronouns"
...awfully lazy journalism from McCarthy, clearly very limited research done...it's well known by now that the above is NOT why he was suspended.
Jesus wept. he objected to the pronoun thing, which is his right, he was not suspended for that. He was suspended for the way he objected. He then kept turning up at the school even though he was suspended, this led to the injunction, which he ignored, which lead to imprisionment, he was released, he kept coming to the school, he was essentially ignored until the hearing, that was a farce, he was then dismissed on the grounds of his behaviour (not his beliefs) and he is still turning up at the school.
Looks like the 12 Burkes could fit in there!
There is no contradiction. Legally it is Burke's behaviour that is at issue. In practical terms the effect on the young person involved, and any other lgbt students in the school, has to be considered. This is largely because some people commenting on the affair persist in trying to make it about Burke's original objection rather than taking on board what they have been told numerous times, it is Burke's reactions and behaviour that are causing the problems.
If people can see I retracted my statement on the basis it's an opinion piece. I can admit when I am wrong.
Why America ? Rural Antrim would suit him just fine. Plenty of like minded folk up there.
An Irish Paul Kigame.
The state is stuck, really.
I'd assume Enoch was smart enough to pre emptively withdraw his cash from the bank and stash it somewhere.
He seems to live with the family effectively as a commune so desperation to pay the rent, food and electric won't force his hand.
I doubt he's on the dole out of pride, considering he regards himself as still gainfully employed.
Burke has no money that can be taken off him. He has no income that can be taken at source.
The state has little option bar to jail him every autumn and let him out every summer when the school is closed anyway. They can get a permanenent security guard to prevent him entering the school, but they can't, and it looks like, won't, keep him from outside it.
Whether you agree with him or not, he has them by the balls. Effectively jail him for life over a culture war, or....I dunno, re hire him and the other lunatics will be protesting outside.
Nah. The taxpayer was footing his salary AND the costs to keep him in mountjoy. He wouldnt have purged contempt. That Judge was correct to let him go.
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Posters are prevented from copying a full article and pasting it as you've done - the fact that it's behind a paywall, probably even more of on issue.
(not back-seat modding btw, the poster asked the question about coping full articles so just replying to them)
I don't really have a problem with someone who refuses to accept the authority of the court spending their time in jail. And make no mistake, this isn't because of any "culture war". If he goes back to jail it will be because he doesn't accept that the courts in this country have the authority to tell him to not attend a school that he has been suspended and then fired from. And he wasn't suspended and then fired because of any "culture war". That happened because when he didn't like a school policy rather than dealing with it like an adult and going through proper procedure he decided to throw a fit.
He doesn't have the upper hand here. The state might not be able to collect the fine, but that isn't going to force them to just give up and let him have his way.
It's not just all the money he has, but all he shall ever have.
The debt shall hang over him, so never own a house, car etc. ... I thing.
And there could be tax issues if he has given the money he has earned to the family.
Well played the judge for trying something different when jail was not working - and we can all rest assured that justice shall not sleep before enoch obeys.
Read Justine McCarthy's article earlier. It isn't behind a paywall.
He was saving for a deposit on a house!
I don't know that he "has the State by the balls" but it certainly present a legal conundrum.
I suspect his attendance at the school on Tuesday where he entered the building could prove to be his undoing though.
He can now be criminally charged for that act.
That begins to provide the State with a pathway to stop his ongoing nonsense.
They try and convict him of the pertinent offence under the Public Order act and he goes and spends some time in Prison for that offence.
I think that now gives a pathway to prevent him for attempting to enter the school under Criminal law in future.
They just keep jailing him for 3 months or 6 months or whatever the penalty is until he stops doing it.
It's not materially different from jailing him for contempt but I know that there are significant legal concerns about the "indefinite" nature of that kind of incarceration in the face of a zealot willing to stay there.
This way at least it becomes a series of defined crimes with defined sentencing.
How would he afford a mortgage now? Poor lamb..
Wonder what his plan b is. He is an extreme case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Like does he not see, he is virtually unemployable now?
Was his stand on principle really worth not having an income for the rest of his life?
Someone mentioned previously that his Jobseekers Allowance would be means tested based on his parent's income. This isn't true.
That only applies to under 18s or could be 21s but definitely not an adult his age.
He needs a deposit for a house though apparently, the achillies heel of all Irish people, property.
David bowie maybe as ziggy stardust ? Not sure that would count with lgbt though.
Well, that's the thing about culture - it evolves.
Just because it wasn't know about yesterday doesn't mean we should brush it under the carpet today.
And that's before we get to the idea of people "not being aware" of it. Ever seen The Crying Game? It's not exactly recent. Ditto Hilary Swnk in Boys Don't Cry and Terence Stamp in Priscilla Queen of the Desert.
Eddie Izzard famously said he knew he was trans as a child, went through various identities before finally transitioning fairly recently.
There's no resaon why any of this should be set in stone for the ages or why people can't cane their identities over time.
Bwwaahhahahahahha
Watch the video of an interview with him outside the school
And there is more.
Now Enoch is claiming the State is making him pay for having religious beliefs...
Enoch Burke says decision to fine him €700 daily is akin to making him pay for ‘religious beliefs’ – The Irish Times
i think the judge has found the thing to make Burke think twice about his weird crusade.
Tighten the screws and he will turn.
^^^^ Precisely. What "plan b" ?? Extreme case indeed and Unecessary operation.
Hate to say it but... the longer this drags on, the more I drift over to Enoch's side. He's got his religious beliefs and, in fairness, he's sticking to them no matter what's thrown at him. The State are making an absolute balls (pun intended) out of this.
I'm not in the slightest bit religious BTW. Far from it.
Can I be the first to cry "Enoch is Enoch!"
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