I wonder how this will work out for him
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Okay do the Amish sit at the inquest of an unrelated to them persons death and cause a scene?
do the Amish picket outside a workplace they were sacked from?
do the Amish follow people around screaming at them?
no, I don’t think so.
Your obsession with the Amish is odd , but let's stick with that for a while.
The Amish have always to put it simply just asked to be "left alone" - They want to live their lives the way they want, and yes if someone no longer wants to adhere to the lifestyle they are "shunned" by the rest of the Amish community and excluded. In the past they have had to protest and go to court etc. for that right to be left alone.
What the Amish don't do and have never done is demand that everyone else live the Amish lifestyle nor do they mock and deride others for not doing so.
Like I said they just want to be left alone and I'm fine with that as long as people in their community are healthy, safe and free to leave should they so wish, then let them off.
The Burkes do not have anything in common with the Amish in terms of their attitudes and behaviours.
They do not want to be "left alone" , they wish to force their viewpoint on everyone else.
For example , Enoch Burke didn't just want to personally not have to refer to the student by their pro-nouns , he demanded that no one be allowed to do so regardless of what other staff and pupils might have wanted.
Whilst I disagree wholeheartedly with his views, he's entitled to have them.
What he's not entitled to do, is not follow the law and the rules of his employment.
Had Enoch followed the rules and submitted a complaint through the appropriate channels , he might not have gotten what he wanted in terms of an outcome but he would not have gone to Prison and would not have been fired.
Instead, he went straight to shouting and roaring and behaving in an utterly unprofessional manner and that is the sole source of his problems (and the majority of the ire directed at him).
And a lot of that is down to homeschooling. they never had the interactions other kids had. All they had was the constant preaching from their parents to turn them into people who are aggressively dogmatic about every aspect of their religion. They were isolated and brainwashed.
I'd forgotten about that incident. It's about as far removed from Christian principles as you can get.
It absolutely baffles me that anyone can have anything but contempt for these people. Absolute scum.
I think their “obsession” is they’re trying to relate similarities in how stringent they live to how stringent the Burkes are with their religion, but as you point out the Amish are rather peaceful and just want to be left to their own devices.
they are not making scenes of themselves as the Burkes are known for.
Yeah, that'd be the Westboro Baptist folks. Not the Amish.
You can read here:
Inquest into the death of a young woman from Covid related complications . The Burkes are (surprise surprise) anti-vaxxers and turned up at the inquest to hurl abuse at all concerned reducing the poor womans family to tears.
They had absolutely zero connection to the family or the case , they just decided it was their right to be there to "express their views".
A lot of Amish also leave home for two years. they call it Rumspringa. During that time they get to experience what the outside world is like. I doubt any of the burke children have been let off the leash for that long. It'd do them the world of good to move to another country and cut off contact for two years. In that time have honest and open conversations with other people.
Jesus I forgot about those lunatics
That's just pure scummy carry on. We are way to liberal in this country when it comes to "free speech".
OKAY... I get it. Oh and this is the first time i have come across this family so no I do nto know their" history" as you oput it
You see having a different view of any aspect of life does not mean HATRED. Where does he say that please? To a man of his beliefs - which he has every right to hold - that way of life as opposed to being gay, is wrong. . It is as simple as that. Same as the way many many groups eg the Amish live expresses the same ideology. Only the Amish have huge family and community support. which they did not always have.
Enouch Burke in my view is wrong in the way he is acting. Talked about this with my own family. And we agree that he should just have quit quietly, Left the school, taken sick leave if needful. It was not fairt on the children and in my own teaching career they always came first.
Their beliefs are theirs. It is the way they are attacking that is in error, and it is. But the attacking as it is being done is not going to help.
It will strenghten them in that chosen " martyrdom" ... If any of you know the TS Eliot drama " Murder in the Cathedral" and as I have said, courting martyrdom is WRONG by any standards.
But he has chosen that path and will be dealt with on that score. If they are preaching hellfire and damnation then yes totally wrong. But they will be dealt with in every aspect, I am not about to start hating and attacking. "let he who is without sin cast the first stone. "
Ah I see,, Freedom si what YOU agree with? But not what the other person who thinks differntly agrees with? FREEDOM is to think and believe and act on your beliefs and on your faith. Not that anything goes? Thank you. I did not realise what you were thinking. You are then denying their freedom to be zealots?
Maybe his few weeks in Mountjoy were his Rumspringa and he's eager to extend it
Bit of a common theme developing for some posters.
"I don't agree with what he is ddoing but you have to respect how he is standing up for his principles etc etc."
Why not just be honest and come out and say you support his actions, and you support his stance on the issues.
Although his behaviour is abhorrent I honestly feel a little bit sorry for the guy sometimes. We can’t choose our parents and he was dealt an incredibly poor hand. He’ll be on the dole for the rest of his life after this.
and it is our right to criticise what he has done. And i am not conflating listening with agreeing. The Burkes dont listen to anybody but their mammy.
It's not that complicated.
You're free to believe any oul shite you want, but you're not free to enforce that belief on anyone else or affect how they live their life based on those beliefs.
Freedom is NOT being allowed to act on those beliefs, contrary to your oft repeated misunderstanding of what freedom is.
I can't make it simpler.
No he corrected his principal. Huge difference.
Especially since the only principles that he is standing up for is the right for him to abuse anyone that doesn't give him his way. He was fired for his behavior, not his beliefs.
A highly qualified teacher so yes excllently educated.
Perhaps you should educate yourself about them before commenting about them. Your posts are coming across as ignorant in the extreme.
if by act you mean verbally abusing people then, no, i don't agree with that. and neither does the rest of society. I'm beginning to think you dont see an issue with it.
"Corrected" ???
Are you serious here?
First off , not his place to "correct" his Boss nor is it reasonable to assume that Enochs opinion is the "correct" one.
The FACTS are that he shouted and his Boss at a public event and refused to stop doing so when requested by his boss.
Regardless of what he was shouting about ,that behaviour is totally unacceptable and sufficiently poor to warrant some kind of sanction up to and including dismissal.
That act and his subsequent repeated refusal to adhere to any kind of rules and procedures are the reason he was sacked.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I'll Bite, What did he correct her on?
And YOu in this post are doing excatly what you accuse them of doing!!! Imposing YOUR beliefs,, ands as I have said repeatedly I do not agree with Mt Burke at all. No way. But it is his freedom and choice and his inalienable right. No need to heed him. That is YOUR choice.
Had great respect for you on the weather forum but come on, get your facts right.
Pat Spillane on Twitter
"I see Enoch Burke has returned to his school once more today, despite being dismissed. In a way I kind of admire him.
Typical Mayo man, suffers defeat after defeat, but ultimately keeps coming back."
Are you trolling people at this point?
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