Yeah, the west is moving up the scale slowly - when thermonuclear war is an actual real prospect you might consider doing it that way.
Nobody has still made an attempt to close the skies for Ukraine.
So, if the reticence about tanks is handwringing, then by the same reasoning so is the reticence to close the skies.
Why the hand wringing. Just send a bunch of jets from various nato countries.
Germany moves carefully: Booo.
Others move carefully: well now you see the thing is, you see the sky is different ...
If, on day one of the Russian invasion, we had decided to greenlight everything to Ukraine that we've given to date, would we be living under mushroom clouds? I don't think so. Ukraine would probably be a lot further than it is now and this whole thing would be a lot closer to ending
Reported.
I invite anyone to find any post in my history thats sympathetic to Russia.
Congrats on turning this thread into an echo chamber where the mere speculation that maybe Russian shytes are shinier equals someone in a troll factory in St Petersburg.
Have you found the link to the Gepards that Ukraine destroyed by using the wrong ammo? cleverly decided to use the wrong ammo, I think you said after they ran out in a few days. Amazing how there's footage of Gepards shooting down drones, even more amazing when they are destroyed and have no ammo!
Again, closing the skies for Ukraine is WW3. American planes shooting Russian planes is WW3. Direct intervention is not part of this discussion.
Don't tell them the skies are already closed for russian planes.
Currently there is speculation about the supply of F16s to the Ukrainian airforce.
Why were these not delivered earlier.
F16 not delivered until 2023, perfectly good excuse.
Leopard not delivered until 2023, awful, cowardice in fact, and corruption. you see scholz is part of an elite cabal and intends to be the first to benefit from renewed relations with post war russia, as such germany is culpable for everything wrong in ukraine.
Are the Russians not culpable for everything wrong in Ukraine?
Next shift I think moved on from Nuclear war to something something why no weapons.
Yeah you think.
In hindsight.
I hope you have an abundance of patience.
Schrodinger's Germans. Weapons terrible. You cant send the tanks it will be WW3.
Whatever illogical thoughts you have in your head about Ireland being implicated because Poland is giving tanks is nonsense. Surely Ireland would have been implicated about everything else given to Ukraine so far. Basically your thoughts and thought process are nonsense.
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Wouldn't Scholz be better off (and the elite cabal, of course)dealing with Ukraine post war? Russia, a Pariah state now, will fall apart after their eventual defeat while Ukraine will be a powerhouse after they rebuild.
I mean the mechanism is perfectly logical, and in the news from yesterday.
Its a new and, in a way, worrying development.
Our non-lethal aid, good as it is, never had the potential to develop into something with unpredictable big political consequences. Polands coming choices may, and we dont control those choices.
Those are facts.
So you are worried that Ukraine will get an upper hand on Russia. How’s the basement in Owrell Road?
No ,
If Russia moves against Poland, Nato Article 5 gets triggered 28 countries come to Polands aid and Russia gets anilated.
Why you're suggesting were involved is beyond me
I dont think its beyond you.
I think youre just a bit salty.
Not what I asked
Ireland hasn't given any non-lethal aid.
EU countries have given lethal \ military aid before.
Logically your argument doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.
The Rubicon has already been crossed.
None of what you have written are 'facts'. They are your opinions. You end your post with these strident comments to cover up the weakness of your argument.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-to-fund-provision-of-non-lethal-equipment-to-ukrainian-military-1.4813568
The article you linked to it from February 2022 and it states:
Ireland is to provide medical supplies, body armour, fuel and other non-lethal material to the Ukrainian military to aid in its defence against Russia.
I wrote: Ireland hasn't given any non-lethal aid.
Where is the lethal aid given by Ireland???
And from the same article:
For the first time the EU will finance the purchase of lethal weaponry for a third country, a momentous change in the Union’s foreign policy, it announced on Sunday.
That was Sun Feb 27 2022
You loudly shouting your opinions wrapped around half truths and calling them facts does not make them so. The article link dumped establishes my version of the events as factual.
So can you point to what is not factual in my post?
Ukraine reported having to repulse attacks on two locations near Bakhmut for the first time, Stupochki and Paraskoviivka.
The situation isn't showing signs of turning around right now.
I can't understand this threat to the world argument, their struggling to get pass the Donbass. Russia is severely weekened and will be for the foreseeable future. Totally agree with putting them in their place but I can't see them threatening Europe in my lifetime
But they allegedly have working nukes!!
Nope, they not the reason from people posting here. It’s they they really support Russia but are afraid to say it out loud because it’s a **** moral position to hold.
The only threat they are outside Ukraine is a nuclear one
Their conventional forces are not large enough to even take all of Ukraine, never mind hold it. The level of insurgency in central and western Ukraine would make it impossible for them to occupy, before they even get a look at going further west.
Or they are not so much pro-Russian as that is a proxy for their anti-Western views.
People with anti west views never seem to want to move east to where their views are more in line with local thinking. It’s really weird.
If they call capturing 4 villages in 6 months with 40k+ casualties a victory,so be it
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