I'm developing some scepticism on this. We are past the pont where Poland should actually do it or shut up about doing it. There was supposed to be an announcement of exactly that last Friday, but we got silence.
I disagree with that, he made fair points and i doubt you would hear different in the Ukrainian leadership.
He is saying that their will be a savage price for Ukraine to pay in lives fighting to retake towns, Ukraine is willing to pay that price, it has no choice.
It's why Russia will never take Kyiv, would 500k good men even hold it, not for long.
You said Zelensky has surpassed Churchill as a great leader. Last day it was Churchill will be turning in his grave about Germany. You’re constantly referencing Churchill as some god, I pointed out how heinous he was and to stop comparing Zelensky (a good man) to that piece of shite Churchill as it’s nauseating and does Zelensky a great disservice. Funny you mention obtuse when that’s literally what your doing about Churchill
I was posting to stop comparing Zelensky to the pos of Churchill. Maybe you’re just a hypocrite who picks and chooses which evil men he likes and dislikes where as I call out all the scum like Putin and Churchill for what they are. Funny you never quoted the guy who never shuts up about Churchill. Quite telling. Still salty about being wrong, I would have thought wiki was right up your street.
No I didn't:
I think Zelensky surpassed Churchill a while ago. There has not been as great a leader of a country for at least 60 years.
The first sentence referred to the two speeches of Zelensky's that I had just quoted. The second sentence refered to the world in general, in which Churchill was not a world leader those past 60 years.
Here is what your triggered brain thinks I said, but didn't:
I think Zelensky surpassed Churchill as a great world leader a while ago. There has not been as great a leader of a country since Churchill.
So now please give it a bloody rest.
Interesting point from this guy (in a longer thread). Russia never 'negotiates' at the conclusion of a war and always acts like a criminal / terrorist state, even after the fighting has ended.
Ukraine has regained 48% of the territory the Orcs captured since the current invasion, but they have had very limited success, really.
Well here's hoping for lots more very limited successes then, when the next Bradley, Challenger 2, AMX-10 not-tanks, Marder, CV-90 equipped offensive kicks off, backed by HIMARS, Archers and the additional 19 Caesars. not to mention the tens of thousands of fresh troops being trained in the US, UK and Baltic countries, who are going to be skilled to the nines, meanwhile the Hordes going to gallantly resist with convicts, political prisoners, drug addicts and the rest drunk on vodka.
It's going to be a bloodbath for one side. Ukraine is going to be even more mobile and manoeuvring than they have been before, when they only had those limited successes.
Quack me.
Putin loves people fighting, he knows he won't last long if people start thinking. Sadly the Russia people are brainwashed, and thinking is something they can't do for themselves
Jesus Christ that is embarrassing. I guess when you said Churchill would be turning in his grave about Germany what you really meant was seismic activity moved him. My word.
Disagree or agree doesn't really change anything .
The Ukrainans aren't planning to let's push across a front 1300km long front
they set out to retake karkhiv - this they achieved despite experts on here saying it couldn't be done, they then moved on to Kherson the cut the Russians supply and logistics lines with surgerical precision,they have secured and reenforceed their lines and defensive positions, again the expert's on here said they couldn't take Kherson, Russia is entrenched,mines ,the greatest loss of life since WW1 , again the expert's on here were wrong,
Now it's oh I believe they got lucky well they didn't really fight,the Russians made a tactical withdrawal therefore the Ukrainans didn't win ,I predicted no they didn't predict it .
But that won't stop them claiming otherwise.
Clearly your wasting your time here.
Whatabout this , whatabout that , whatabout.
You don't get to decide what and how it's discussed on here, Churchill Zelensky or other.
Whether you take a town or bypass it depends on who holds it & what threat they pose. Pockets will soon get isolated & surrounded. It's easier to let them starve than try to take them. You don't hold up a rapid advance & get bogged down especially when you are in your own country.
Neither do you but it didn’t stop you quoting me twice complaining about what I posted. Hypocritical again.
So you’re a Churchill apologist then and happy for Zelensky to be compared to a man who used chemical weapons on “unruly tribes” believed in racial superiority(sounds like Putin there) took aid from a famine stricken area and said they deserved it for being a beastly people with a beastly religion and deserved it for breeding like rabbits.
You’re happy for Zelensky to be compared to a man who set the Black and Tans in your own country who terrorised the population like the Russians are now and who wanted to use air power on us. You’re happy to compare him to that. Like I said you pick and choose the evil men you like, you don’t even care if they inflicted it on your own nation. Utterly Bizarre individual.
Wagner convicts(aka fodder) aren't present on all fronts. It could well be 5-1 in Bakhmut/Soledar but not across the front.
Ukraine has been on the attack in Kherson and around Svatove and Kreminna for months. As you pointed out the defenders have the advantage so the UA are probably taking pretty heavy loses there.
Your ability to misconstrue a post is truly incredible.
Up to 10-1 now? How is the front line stable with 10:1 kill ratio? The Ukrainians should be in Moscow at this stage. Ye are just taking random stats and jumping to all sorts of conclusions.
One thing that probably is probably affecting the stats is the low value that Russians seems to place on lives. Far more Russians that are injured are likely die. This is probably pushing up the kill ratio and skews the casualties ratio.
The tactics required massive mistakes from Russia. Could that happen again? Of course, but you shouldn't base your strategy on it.
Because it would be incredibly stupid to do it unless they have no other choice? If Germany had agreed to send the Leopard to Ukraine the only thing that would happening right now is the training of Ukrainians on Leopards. What is happening right now? The training of Ukrainians on Leopards. So German's indecision might have no effect(or at least a limited effect if Poland is training more than 14 crews) on the deployment of the tanks - assuming that they do agree in he coming weeks.
If Germany decides against it, which I don't think they will, then I am sure Poland will push ahead.
I wonder if the Ukrainians or Russians are aware of the brave souls fighting here on boards.ie
Rapidly followed by random experts on here telling us ,oh they didn't achieve much really,
Oh Winston Churchill's family
,Donegal is clearly obsessive about Churchill. Leave him to it, just ignore and move on.
The pro-orc camp would rather go down with the putler ship than ever admit to being wrong.
I am going to particularly enjoy their reactions when this war ends in a few months and President Zelensky is doing a victory parade in Sevastopol. I bet they will chalk that down to an orc goodwill gesture as well 😂
Months? I love the optimism Bitcoin, and I’ve love to see it pan out this way, but months isn’t realistic. Couple of years, maybe, but not months. That said, I would be delighted to be wrong there.
I think the key for Ukraine will be the old German tactic of Blitzkrieg. It's a long front to defend & the Russian Command won't be good at quick decisions. Put out masses of false information about where they will attack
The Russians certainly seem to be aware, given their frequent visits.
Even tried to delete the thread at one point too
I've been following this thread for a while and would question there being a "pro-orc" camp at all. A large large majority here are clearly in favour of a Ukrainian victory. You then have the odd person actually leaning the other way (rare), but most who are labelled "putinbots" etc. are usually just disagreeing with someone when they are labelled such, and I would bet are really disagreeing to be contrary.
There definitely isn't a battle for minds, this thread is pro-ukrainian with a handful of regular gatekeepers ready to "putinbot" their next opposing view.
Germany/EU not doing enough.
Putin not dead yet, eh?
Churchill blah bla blah
All (and many others) distractions where Putin being a Minus D strategist, psychopath, Gollum happy for his fellow citizens to be cannon fodder not being discussed. Don’t let the fukkers grind you down.
“The tactics required massive mistakes from Russia. Could that happen again? Of course, but you shouldn't base your strategy on it.”
No. But there are MANY MANY more mistakes Russia will make. Bet your bottom Ruble on it!
I remember that. Even did some kind of Simpsons joke about at the time :P
Suppose we should give a shout-out to the lads at Orwell Rd. at this stage. At least they try…very poorly
Another poster that takes part of a sentence out of context and then waffles endlessly about it.
Original point
'Ukraine has had very limited success against well defended positions'.
Can you point out the well defended positions that Ukraine have been able to retake? Most of that 48% was retaken in a very short period with very few losses on the Ukraine side. So why not just repeat that again? Because the Russians have dug-in and it is a very different war than it was 5-6 months ago.
The orc horde are only capable of launching human wave attacks at this stage. Even the Ukrainian commanders are shocked at just how much meat the orcs were willing to throw at them.
Do you really think they are in a position of strength by doing this?
The orcs are well past the stage of catastrophic losses and nothing can save them. China are not going to step in. There are not 200k experienced and trained soldiers who can readily be mobilized. There are no tank factories in the Urals producing hundreds of tanks a week (they are lucky to produce 200 a year).
Sooner rather than later a Ukraine counter offensive is coming. Just like in Kherson and Kharkiv there will be a sudden and dramatic orc collapse. It'll be sped up by the fact that Ukraine have a lot of new toys that they never had before.
There were no Ukrainian victories, only orc goodwill gestures, right? 🤣
I would certainly agree that this thread is very much pro-Ukraine. I’m clearly pro-Ukraine myself in my own posts and it’s clear there are many others here of a similar mind. But this isn’t surprising given the nature of this conflict. A larger nation is trying to forcefully subdue a smaller neighbour essentially because they feel they have a right to do it, while ignoring all of the rules of War. The smaller nation’s right to choose is being ignored and and sense of their own democracy is at stake, not to mention their very existence.
Unless you have a very corrupted moral compass it shouldn’t be difficult to see which side of this conflict should prevail and which should fail. When a poster comes on here supporting the Russian position they have set themselves up with the titanic task of having to defend that position. Based on everything we know now about the conflict so far, defending Russia requires the same burden of proof as claiming that “Nazi Germany weren’t really the bad guys in WWII”. Any given poster can have a shot of that, but their argument would need to be truly amazing. I’ve yet to see that, and the flimsy counter arguments in defence of Russia feel to be little more than apologist talking points.
Combine this with the newly registered users who seen to tag in / tag out every other week, you get the feeling that is very often a managed attempt to defend Russia’s position. And when that inevitably fails they just stir the pot until thread-banned.
I will agree that labelling someone as a Putin-bot for just offering a count-position does happen a little too readily, but I feel that’s down to the frequency of actual Putin-bots turning up. If they would just cut that out it would be easier to debate without that card being played.
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