I wonder how this will work out for him
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You've repeatedly claimed that there is some conflict between treating trans people with some basic respect and Christianity.
I haven't claimed that even once, let alone repeatedly.
You resort to lying about what I said, then expect me to engage with you - not going to happen.
"I can't believe they require me to agree with someone else's life choices, I am outraged..........I'd better go to court so that everyone else is required to adhere to my life choices"
-Enoch Burke, presumably
they are "promoting dignity and respect for the individual" which is in line with their ethos.
This ongoing attack against Wilsons Hospital School you are engaging in has runs its course Yammering on about 'it's obviously not Christian' ad nauseum isn't getting any traction. I think you need a new hobby. And perhaps a course in school ethos, education rights and the law. Yourself and your buddy Enoch should sit together. Bring the Mammy with you too.
How is it not Christian practice?
Far better to change the way of doing things, and be open about it, than pretend to be something they're not.
Oh the irony.
You've repeatedly claimed that there is some conflict between treating trans people with some basic respect and Christianity. Can you provide some specific source for this? It looks to be your own personal prejudice, rather than an intrinsic principle of Christianity.
The implication is that, when you say that you blame the school, that the school was dishonest and that the school is wrong to facilitate the request, that ypu don't think the student's should be overruled.
I said the school is dishonest because it presents on its website as a Christian school, which in practice it obviously is not.
I would not be happy with that, either as a parent of a transgender, or a parent of a child who wanted to practice Christianity, or as a teacher if I took the job believing it to be in agreement with my beliefs if I was Christian.
Dishonesty like that serves no-one.
It's the principle he's objecting to.
Oddly in this case, he actually objected against the Principal. And the manner in which he did so got him in his trouble.
I wasn't sure that my spell check would have it, but it did!
i haven't seen the word conniptions in a long time.
Who's getting surgery?
Are you saying that being transgender is 'against Christianity'? Can you provide some source or background for this please? Don't need an essay, just a reference to your source for this claim.
What do you expect trans students to do - hide their true identity for their formative years just so that blinkered bigots don't have to face up to reality?
A precedent for treating pupils with some basic respect and dignity? I'd have hoped schools were doing that all along. I know of one case, in a conservative religious convent school where a trans student was treated with respect for their leaving cert years, so there's no real precedent here, apart from the teacher having conniptions.
Schools are frequently involved in intimate and personal matters of students. But there's no need for 'involvement' here, they just have to treat the student with a little bit of dignity. Does that offend your Christianity somehow?
School is involved regardless of the choice it makes.
The implication is that, when you say that you blame the school, that the school was dishonest and that the school is wrong to facilitate the request, that ypu don't think the student' choice should have been entertained, or thst they should be overruled.
If not, then what are you basing your stance on?
The phrase "you get what you give" applies
That is not what I did at all.
What I did was ask you to explain why someone changing their surname is not an issue, but someone changing their first name, is?
You've been asked many questions now, by multiple posters, which you have not answered.
You'd just prefer if they hid themselves away somewhere out of sight so you don't have to look at them.
the schools only involvement is to ask staff and pupils to change the name they use to refer to the child. they have done this at the request of the child.
a discussion involves two people. all you have done is repeat the same thing ad nauseum.
It would not be right for a school to get involved on such an intimate and personal matter with a child. That's the job of the parents.
You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say anywhere it's a bad choice, nor did I make any comment about how they arrived at the choice.
I answered your question. You can take the answer or leave it.
Or hurl insults I suppose is another option which I see you've gone for.
End of discussion here anyway!
Wonder how is poor John Rogers is.
Must be very stressful with these slates behaving like deranged gloamers.
So... what's the problem? Helping students with their life choices what schools are supposed to do, and in this case it's been hoest about it from the moment the principal sent wround the email.
Just because YOU don't like a a choice someone makes, doesn't mean it's a bad choice or someone else influenced. As I said to previous poster yesterday: it's arrogant to assume that the student doesn't know themselves and SOMEONE had to influence them.
And people change their names to Irish variations all the time.
All the time? Really?!
Maybe where you live? I certainly never came across that.
Plus, he didn't teach the student or have any contact with them.
It's be like me complaining about your neighbour changing their name. Just in case I happened to bump into them.
It's the principle he's objecting to. The school setting a precedent.
you have said it is against Christianity several times but have never explained why. almost like you are just hiding your transphobia behind religion.
And I think we can view the video from yesterday and get a pretty good idea of how Burke behaved himself at that School event.
If he followed the Principal around the room bellowing at them the way that he and his family followed the members of the school board yesterday then the school were absolutely 100% correct to suspend him pending a hearing into his behaviour.
I challenge anyone to watch the footage from yesterday and then tell me that if they behaved like that in their place of employment, directed at their boss that they wouldn't be suspended on the spot and likely be sanctioned or indeed sacked at the subsequent disciplinary hearing.
Of course you would , your feet would barely be touching the ground with the speed they'd have you out the door and gone.
Another video from yesterdays antics, they are cracked.
That response was to poster Louze who compared the trangender process to getting married.
Oh, you can spare the hyperbole, I did not refuse to answer anything.
It is against Christianity. I can't give you a sound-bite. I'm not going to write you an essay either.
I will simply say it's to do with identity. You can research that further on your own, if you're interested.
both I believe. and if it was just the pronouns i imagine the result would have been the same.
questioner22 is only having a laugh. Acting the maggot if you will.
Was the request not along the lines of having to use they/them pronouns?
If the request was just to use a different name, would the same course of events happen?
Possibly...possibly not...
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