I wonder how this will work out for him
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You might not like the family or their religious convictions but they deserve basic respect like all citizens of the state.
Respect is not owed, its earned.
Show me where the Burkes have shown any respect to the trans student, to the wider LGBTQ+ community, the former Principal of WHS, the current students and Board of Management of WHS, or the various High Court Justices they've been before?
You don't get to demand or deserve respect, while behaving in a manner which is completely disrespectful to all around you.
Dishonest of the school to let on it's affiliated to a religion when in practice it's not.
I think the judge was 100% correct in what he did - you can't ignore a court order as if you don't recognise the authority of the court and then ask the court to grant you an order that you expect someone else to abide by. The judge even gave him a chance to think about whether or not he would agree to be bound by the previous order and Burke refused.
Where's the conflict between religious affiliation and being respectful and tolerant of trans people?
i thought respect for people was a part of most religions. in this instance the school are showing respect for the pupil. Man-child Enoch has shown no respect for anybody
This was all covered in the previous thread on this topic.
The school is obligated to adhere to the law as it relates to anti-discrimination and equality etc.
If what you were saying had any merit then every single school in the country barring the handful of "Educate Together" schools would be refusing to employ LGBTQ staff or Divorced staff etc. etc.
Religion does not and cannot ever trump the actual law.
Thats where the Burke Familys "education" comes to bite them.
You mean Mammy doesn't set ALL the school laws?
Ah that’s unfair. They don’t want to take us back to catholic Ireland, they see that as apostasy. They want to take us forward into a revelations style rapture in born-again lines!
Ok, but it's wrong anyway.
The school is wrong for promoting itself as religious if it doesn't mean anything.
Non-religious parents are wrong for sending their child to a school that has on its website that it's a Christian school - the right thing would have been send them to a school that's non-religious where it would not be an issue.
Instead, selfishness prevails where one child disrupts the experience of other kids (many of whom are probably religious, going to a school they believed was of that ethos), disrupts the career of a teacher of good reputation, and students of his having their education disrupted.
Are the child’s parents non-religious?
I’m struggling to see what if any disruption the child/parents caused, and a school can be both religious, and tolerant.
I'm sorry , but that is just horrible horrible bilious nonsense..
So, it's all the childs fault here?
That's your take?
Just go away.
So they should have known in advance that their child was Transgender and they should have hidden them away ...
No, they should have switched schools when the decision was made.
So are you also saying that Gay or Transgender people cannot believe in God ?
No, you can believe in God without following a religion.
I've read some seriously hot takes on Boards over the years, but blaming the child in this case is absolute insanity.
The child isn't disrupting his career, he is.
The child isn't disrupting the class, he is.
The child has done nothing wrong. He has.
Keep your sanctimonious claptrap to yourself, there is only one person at fault for all of this and his surname is Burke. Calling the kid selfish because he refused to comply with a court injunction is an astronomical leap and a hugely incorrect one. If you're siding with the Burkes then you should hang your head in shame.
Well I suppose if Enoch's parents raised him to be tolerant, accepting of others and of course showed him how to deal with a situation correctly when you didn't agree with something. We wouldn't be having this conversation.
The child is a person under 18, I presume. It goes without saying then that the parents are responsible. (Strange that people need that spelled out)
I strongly suspect questioner22 is trolling....
Jaysus that video of the Burkes accosting BOM members while roaring at the back of their heads is mad stuff.
for??
(can't wait to hear this)
The student has nothing to do with this case afaik and shouldn't be dragged into it by knuckleheads here.
This is a dispute between Burke and a school policy as implemented by the principal. That much is clear.
the only one doing that is Enoch.
How are the kid's parents responsible for Burke's actions and flagrant disregard for the laws of the land?
This is a dispute between Burke and a school policy as implemented by the principal
Policy implemented by The Board of Education and Employment law.
i.e. Harassment of fellow employees is gross misconduct.
That has nothing to do with any Principal.
Enoch is an adult. He is responsible for his own actions. it is his own actions that led to him being suspended and then locked up in Mountjoy.
Oh go back to basics.............
that is as basic as it gets. behave in the manner that Enoch did and there are consequences. you think he should be allowed behave as he wants without consequence.
Can you please post a list all the existing non-religious / non-denominational options for secondary school places available to the parents in Westmeath?
Thanks.
OK baby steps.. Burke's issue, on the information supplied, is that he objects to a school policy regarding use of terminology, on the basis of his religious convictions. That's all there is.
His chosen means of discussing this with the principal might have been undiplomatic. But that's it. They are adults.
Everything else stems from above and is irrelevant at end of the day.
If by basics you mean actually reality, then yes are spot on. 👍️
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already but the teachers code states
"Teachers uphold human dignity and promote equality and emotional and cognitive development. In their professional practice, teachers demonstrate respect for spiritual and cultural values, diversity, social justice, freedom, democracy and the environment"
Enoch would have agreed to this as part of becoming a teacher - it seems that this does not suit him now...
it went beyond diplomatic. it ended up as verbal abuse. everything stems from his verbal abuse of the principal. that is the basics. A high court judge agrees with that. that you still need that explained to you after this many months is a worry.
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