Only one winnerrrr for me and it's gladiator...,.
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Gladiator was a much better watch for me.
Ever seen "Come and See"? If not, I think you will like it. This is survival through total savagery on film.
Same could be said for the Scots, not knowing parts of their history, same for the Irish, same for Spanish, Portuguese, Belgium etc. Every nationality knows their history, many choose to ignore some of it , some do not want to know in the first place. The English have a bad rap, for many reasons - and rightly so - BUT many other nationalities have vile history too.
Apocalypto is an outstanding film, followed by Gladiator. The wind that shakes the barley is one that stands out - it tries to highlight the horror that Irish men and women lived thru, what they did to each other. Much of which has been hidden as many refused to mention what occurred to the level it became - for the hate and jealously that was, civil war etc.
That’s probably one of the biggest inaccuracies of the whole film.
the King was the King of England, but was very much a Norman and would have spoken French. The Normans would have considered the native English as no more than cannon fodder. Pretty much the same way the Scottish nobility (of which Wallace was part) considered their own commoners little more than pawns in their game of thrones.
Wallace wearing a kilt and sleeping with a Queen who was only three years old at the time were pretty big ones as well in fairness.
Longshanks was a Plantaganet, they came after the Normans. Wouldn't Wallace have been of Norman descent, I think Wallace is the Scottish equivalent of Walsh (Breathnach), meaning Briton/Welsh. Also DeBruce sounds a bit Frenchy.
On even ground I would back gladiator. If the terrain is rough I think braveheart would have the edge.
Of course, my mistake.
tomato tomato as far as the English we’re concerned though. Just another thug French king.
Fighting for freedom vrs fighting for the entertainment of rich people ...FREEDOM
Once there was a dream called Rome.
Deutschland by rammstein gets my vote.
Both films are full of inaccuracies but I'm not an historian, it's gladiator for me because of Joaquin Phoenix. 8MM oh right it's Rivers wee bro I'll give it a go. Fckin hell he's good and Gladiator he nails it. Damn fine actor much deserving of all the credit he gets.
I agree with you mostly but LotR took nothing from Gladiator, by the time it released they would have been almost halfway through shooting the trilogy.
Gladiator never really claimed to be historically accurate though, it was always intended as fictional story in a historic setting that borrowed some real characters. I doubt Braveheart ever claimed to be 100% accurate but when you base your film around a real-life historical figure I think some amount of accuracy is implied and expected.
I think a bit more historical accuracy is expected and required when you are dealing with an "active" historic national hero like Wallace and DeBruce or Collins and Dev for example.
There would be a lot less of a necessity and emotion involved in misrepresenting Marcus Aurelius and Commodus.
Braveheart
That Gladiator ending was cheesy af.
You mean when Gladiator sees his dead wife as he is dying. Or the bit where the king's missus who he was ridin mourns him. Or maybe the ending monologue 🤣
What about The Revenant does ur deserve to be in the same bracket as these 2?? 4 great films Apocalypto, The Revenant, Braveheart and Gladiator.
I had no idea Braveheart was revered as an actually good film, I thought it was viewed as a sort of guilty pleasure along the lines of another of Mel Gibson's period pieces - The Patriot.
Gladiator was hugely overrated in my opinion. Joaquin Phoenix aside, it was so-so.
Yeah the part where she mourns him lol the little speech she gives and then her son goes over to pick him up. I want to kick the little **** out of the arena.
You may have missed the joke in my post.
I can live with the King speaking English. It's the way they butchered his character that irks me. Edward I loved his wife and built a series of crosses - the Eleanor Crosses - all over England after she died. He was a pious Christian and also went on crusade. He was above all a master of warfare. He also expelled the Jews in 1291 so was by no means a good guy or anything but he deserved better than the hatchet job from Gibson he got.
Enjoyed both but Gladiator for me, great to see Ollie Reed aswell
The son gets far worse of a hatchet job. And of course you have the casual xenophobia like the French girls being mad up for it and ridin half the court.
True but the son's famous for being an abysmal King so I suppose that's less noticeable. I do like the part where his fella gets thrown out the window though.
It's been a while since I've seen Braveheart so my mind always pictures Tywin Lannister in all those scenes.
From Wikipedia
Peter Traquair has referred to Wallace's "farcical representation as a wild and hairy highlander painted with woad (1,000 years too late) running amok in a tartan kilt (500 years too early).
The "ancient traditions" of tartan is one of the greatest loads of bollixology in culture. It has more history has far more links to silly tweet cosplaying Victorian lords than it does highland clans. Clowns like George and now Charles Windsor.
I know you meant the entire ending 😂 but that part pisses me off so much.
I was describing the ending to both Gladiator and Braveheart. Almost identical.
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