America has administered its first Lethal injection of 2023 to a transgender woman.
Why is a first world country still putting its citizens to death, particularly using a one drug method
Women is just another word for one of the human sex's. It's a more personable word or instead we'd be referring to people as their sex all the time which is a bit crude.
You wouldn't call a female dog a woman you'd call them a bitch so bitch is to woman in a non-human context.
So we use words like Man/Woman for the sex of species in lieu of male/female.
If an alien single sex race visited and observed us from afar they would know there are male and female variants of species, but they wouldn't know what words like woman or bitch we use or why unless we explained it to them.
Therefore sex and gender mean exactly the same thing in a human and even animal context. There is absolutely no substantive difference between sex and gender, there is no substantive difference between a human male or a man, or a human female or a woman, they mean exactly the same thing.
If i said my country of birth, or Ireland, I mean exactly the same thing, i.e Ireland.
The idea that gender is something different from sex in humans is a notion that has been pushed by trans rights activists and thanks to anti gender ideology activists that notion has been completely rubbished and will never be widely accepted. You're welcome.
@[Deleted User] "edit: oh and while I’m pointing out things you’re wrong about, you didn’t upset me in the slightest as I said. I responded to a post you made, you made 7 total posts in response to maybe 2-3 of mine. Half of those were back to back before I even answered you as separate posts. Who upset who exactly?"
So what? My point stands that your first response to my one sentence was weirdly angry. A very unprovoked anger. You're not pointing out things I'm wrong about - you're just pointing out things I'm saying which are perfectly correct but you don't like them.
A person is not a woman if that person is a man.
Im trying to think of ways to explain this to you that might cause a lightbulb moment for you.
No amount of surgery or hormones can turn a man into a woman.
Ever see the move Citizen X with Donald Sutherland and Stephen Rae, brilliant movie. Anyway in the end the Russian police took the killer to a room and gave him one bullet in the back of the head. That is all it would take. You could even automate it and deliver a few bullets at the same time to make it final in one swift blow.
What gets me about the way the US do it is they can go to foreign country kill dozens of people in an instant with a missile, and well you get the point.
You do care about ALL the other rapes happening across USA too, right? You didn’t just single out this one strange edge case rape to be concerned about, right?
The established use of the word woman in healthcare pertaining to female biology, sport, spaces, societies where girls and women are subjugated... refutes that woman just denotes gender.
What is gender? What is sex?
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'Sex' and 'gender' are often used interchangeably, despite having different meanings:
Sex refers to a set of biological attributes in humans and animals. It is primarily associated with physical and physiological features including chromosomes, gene expression, hormone levels and function, and reproductive/sexual anatomy. Sex is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed.
Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people. It influences how people perceive themselves and each other, how they act and interact, and the distribution of power and resources in society. Gender identity is not confined to a binary (girl/woman, boy/man) nor is it static; it exists along a continuum and can change over time. There is considerable diversity in how individuals and groups understand, experience and express gender through the roles they take on, the expectations placed on them, relations with others and the complex ways that gender is institutionalized in society.
Whatever you like to believe.
May zee rest in peace
Not as weak as "if a person wants to be someone else, they ARE them".
Which inaccuracies? What I say is rooted in objective, biological reality so how can there be inaccuracies?
I don't identify as a woman (silly baiting) - I AM a woman, and it absolutely does make me an authority on what being a woman is like. Because womanhood is certainly not just clothes, makeup, accessories, shoes and hair.
I never said anything about pronouns - it's only you who keep bringing them up.
But on that note I’m not really bothered to engage with you any further tbh.
male and female are the correct biological terms to refer to sex.
man, woman, boy, girl are gender labels we apply to people.
That’s just the end of it.
im not telling you anything I’m pointing out your inaccuracies. Identifying as a woman and being of female sex does not make you all knowing or indeed the final say on this or any other matter. You’re not the authority on who can and can’t use the female pronouns because you’re a female. That’s absolutely the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard and such a weak argument. Mansplainy? Honestly grow up. 😂
Woman and female denote biological sex.
I always love a man telling me, a woman, when I should call a male person a woman. Not a bit mansplainy. I recommend saying it to the women and girls of Afghanistan whose sex means a life of hell.
There's no point at which someone who isn't a woman "becomes" a woman, no matter how much surgery. It's impossible. A transwoman though, yes.
So if I understand you it’s okay to want to be called she/her for example, but you definitely don’t get to say “I’m a woman”, is that correct?
However, I presume then you’ll have no problem one way or the other should the aforementioned also transition their body via hormone therapy and/or surgery, is that also correct?
Exactly where do you decide that someone’s enough of a woman to call themselves one?
Oh, by the way, woman isn’t a sex, it’s a gender. female is the sex. I knew there was something way off with what you were saying but it was too glaring to realise right away
edit: oh and while I’m pointing out things you’re wrong about, you didn’t upset me in the slightest as I said. I responded to a post you made, you made 7 total posts in response to maybe 2-3 of mine. Half of those were back to back before I even answered you as separate posts. Who upset who exactly?
So strengthen the justice system so that mistakes dont occur , there are also many cases where a person is guilty and escape justice due to weak and flawed system,
punish the guilty protest the rest of us and enjoy a safer world.
Who is more important really ? the offender or the victim?
I don't think gender is an irrelevance - I just refuse to agree that sex is an irrelevance.
Gender is an expression, a costume. Feminine is how women typically present, and if a man wants that, all the best to him.
If gender is an irrelevance as you seem to be agreeing with then how can you be a gender?
Also, seriously can you not quote me 5 times both of you? I edit my post if I have something to add, I don’t reply to you and spam your notifications. Happy to have a debate but if you’re at that I’ll just add you to ignore. It’s very annoying, don’t do it.
thanks.
@[Deleted User] "Uh I’m not sure what mistake you think I made? If a man wants to be called Emma and referred to as she they absolutely can do that and I don’t know if you aren’t aware.. but people have been doing it for years!" I didn't refute that. Only you brought up name and pronouns.
What you acknowledged was trans people *want* to be something rather than *are*. Exactly.
Actually, if you want to talk to me about gender, please announce how many genders you believe in before you claim to be "tolerant"
Ye always gas-light too. That poster stated irrefutable facts, that's it. Didn't say anything indicating how others feel upsets them.
If someone is gender non conforming (you can live as whatever gender you like - after all it's different to sex) wants to have hormonal treatment/surgery as an adult, all the best to them - it's a huge HUGE decision. All I disagree with is saying transwomen literally are women.
It would be interesting...
But it's not.
I don't care how other people feel.
I care that I am compelled or am trying to be compelled to go along with their feelings about themselves, when it's demonstrably wrong or against biological fact.
I don't care what people think of themselves.
I do care when a man who rapes and kills a woman is then referred to as a woman.
It's not true.
I care about truth.
@[Deleted User] "Oh and for the record you seem to think what you said upset me, it certainly hasn’t, I’m just pointing out that you’re wrong. But feel free to act like you’ve been attacked" - sure thing. You were utterly livid in your rage filled post responding to my one sentence, and yes you absolutely did attack me. Coming up with weird reaches... on the basis of one sentence. That's what TRAs always do though - they're so angry. Almost as if... they know their detractors have a point.
You don't get to accuse me of ranting after your rabid previous post in response to my one short sentence.
Women who don't agree with pretending biology is inconsequential are called bigots, transphobes, fascists, nazis and even genocide supporters. We won't accept that woman and female and girl are just subjective, malleable words (meaning fk all as you charmingly put it) that can fit all sorts of meanings. They have specific meanings with rights and healthcare and policy associated with them which women FOUGHT for. The way we are being undermined for this is absolutely misogyny (e.g. viewing it as unfair when those who have experienced male puberty play in women's sports - but being sneered at and called a bigot for this very reasonable concern). A more benevolent form, but still disregarding and handwaving towards women - inclusiveness that excludes.
Well me personally I never felt like I was living as the wrong gender, so I don’t really need to feel or do anything. It’s interesting though how others feel upsets you so much.
I didn’t disagree with you. I said in response to you claiming it causes confusion, that we have over many centuries of refining communication come to understand nuance and context and can readily distinguish when someone says X they actually mean Y without unnecessary explanation.
And absolutely we could make a new word. We’ve added plenty of words to the dictionary without incident over the years, do you think it was written once and it can never be added to?
Your rant about misogyny is lost on me, I don’t know what horrible things women are being accused of, can you enlighten me? I certainly didn’t accuse you of anything anyway. Is it rather that you notice in your daily life a stark intolerance towards just giving people basic respect when they want to be called he or she contrary to their biological sex? It’s not universal, cos the women I know at least, afford people that basic respect and have never to my knowledge but I’ll say scarcely been the target of accusations because of it.
Uh I’m not sure what mistake you think I made? If a man wants to be called Emma and referred to as she they absolutely can do that and I don’t know if you aren’t aware.. but people have been doing it for years!
Oh and for the record you seem to think what you said upset me, it certainly hasn’t, I’m just pointing out that you’re wrong. But feel free to act like you’ve been attacked.
I literally just said woman isn't a gender (which it isn't). I don't know how such a statement could cause such anger.
Why would I be someone who polices how sentences are structured for simply saying that woman isn't a gender? (And oh my god the irony of that poster accusing me of that when they lost their sh1t over one short sentence I wrote).
Fact ISN'T we could make up a whole new set of mouth sounds tomorrow to more easily distinguish one thing from the other. Universally understood language isn't just created overnight.
And no, the word "woman" does not mean fk all. Many many of us women are sh1t sick of misogynistic attitudes like yours, undermining us, accusing us of horrendous things for simply recognising that biology matters. The word woman has ramifications for healthcare, social policy, culture... try telling a woman in Somalia, whose life is affected completely because of her SEX, that words denoting biology mean fk all.
"transgender people are not the thing they want to be" - slipped up there R. Why would someone just *be* what they want to be? That's not possible.
No gender is assigned to anyone. A sex is. But it's not assigned. It's recognised. As a fact. Because it's the truth.
You have gender. Go. Take it. It means absolutely nothing. It's a feeling.
Men will never be women. Women will never be men.
That's the sexes sorted.
You have fun with your infinite amount of genders and how strongly you believe that you are unique. Live fast, scream proudly, let everyone know how you identify.....
But you will still be the sex you are born
The bigger question is to see how capital punishment is applied unfairly, and is more likely to impact black and hispanic people, and (in previous years in the US, before a change of ruling) people with intellectual disabilities.
And refusing to call someone “she” because they’re biologically a man is confusing biological sex with gender.
Amazing how it’s almost like our mouth noises we decided were called “words” mean absolutely fcuk all in the grand scheme of things.
Fact is we could make up a whole new set of mouth sounds tomorrow to more easily distinguish one thing from the other. The idea of transgenderism obviously wasn’t a major priority when we were hammering out the finer details of conversation and human communication.
Handy though we do have something in ourselves that helps us understand the message being relayed even if it’s slightly misspoken. Do you regularly police how sentences are structured or are you just nitpicking now to make an argument about how transgender people are not the thing they want to be cos you don’t like it?
But it's confusing gender with biological sex to say you're a woman when you were born male. Woman is not a gender.
How would you feel if someone you love was on an Irish death row awaiting execution for a crime you know they did not commit and there was nothing you could do about it?
Because people in countries with capital punishment have experienced this.
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