America has administered its first Lethal injection of 2023 to a transgender woman.
Why is a first world country still putting its citizens to death, particularly using a one drug method
I refuse to answer your question because your not looking for the answer, Your simply looking for a way to judge my answer bases on political correctness & not if the answer is correct or incorrect,
Iv asked you a question which carries non of that baggage yet you refuse to answer ,
Question:
Is gender the only thing regardless of the facts & reality you are open to believe in because someone else says its so are there other parts of life where you are open to believe what people tell you when the reality & biology tell you they are incorrect ?
You understand what he is asking but you are refusing to answer his question because it makes sense , It takes the PC out of it ,
He has repeatedly said he knows Trans people exist but there idea of what there is not true in reality or biology ,
He is clearly asking you if you don't believe reality or biology when it only comes to gender ,
Because whatever a person "identifies" as, if it isn't factually or biologically correct, is of no interest.
Much like height, weight, age or sex, some things are not up for debate or false because someone believes it not to be true.
And of course you font know what fu*kgender means. Because its a nonsense (yet recognised) "gender". If you were to be a gender identity advocate, you should embrace it no?
And please Andrew, your last sentence is ridiculous.
You came onto a thread about America executing a trans inmate.
You then admit you know nothing about it.
And then you submit another post, wistfully wishing that people who didn't know about a topic would keep themselves to themselves.
The lack of self awareness is astounding.
And those criminals that did it ? murdered innocents ?
that particular person will never commit another crime,
job oxo
I’m not sure what a a f*ckgender individual, and I’m confused as to why you persist in referencing trans people with the qualifier of “identify as”.
Trans people exist.
I don’t know anything about the person executed so I’m not going to comment on something I know nothing about. Sadly, this approach is a bit rare on boards.ie.
are you saying this person is innocent then?
Are you saying that all trans people are, by definition, mentally ill?
Mentally ill people exist & there is no question to be debated nor are any of them awaiting my approval ,
You seems afraid to answer the question being asked of you ,
Is gender the only thing regardless of the facts & reality you are open to believe in because someone else says its so
Are there other parts of life where you are open to believe what people tell you when the reality & biology tell you they are in correct ?
Any comment that starts with "So what you're saying is" should be immediately ignored.
I repeat. I know trans people exist.
I give the same amount of legitimacy to someone identifying as a f*ckgender individual as I do to someone identifying as a transwoman.
Do you?
Again, your inability to answer a question is telling.
The crux of the matter is, do you believe a man commited those murders and a woman was put to death for it?
Maybe when they ran short of buffalo and native Americans to kill, they needed something to fill the void?
Unless you give people the option of both, and then stand back and record what happens over many decades... we'll never really know for sure what people might choose.
What you're talking about is people's natural survival instinct and aversion/fear of death. If you gave a sick dog the option of euthanasia or living in agony or extreme isolation, many would choose to keep struggling on - because it's all they know. Doesn't mean it's humane however.
It can also take quite a long time for people to be mentally worn down by the reality of never ending lack of freedom. Some people might choose to be locked up in prison, but after 10 or 20 years of this experience, they may choose death. It's different being on death row, when you're staring death in the face from the beginning, rather than staring into a life of never ending prison time. I have read quite a bit about the psychological effects of both, and they're quite starkly different.
Your “identify as” in quotes gives your game away, a further attempt to delegitimise the lives of others.
This isn’t about beliefs. Your question is an entirely false premise, and is entirely irrelevant to this discussion.
Trans people exist. They don’t need your permission or approval.
Nobody is denying there are people who "identify" as trans.
Again, you seem to be saying that I am denying there are people who "identify" as trans.
You're absolutely trying to circumnavigate the question with your merriam webster talk though (and wholly laughable that you want to use definitions of words when it suits....)
But to placate you and to hopefully get an honest response, I will change my wording
Would you mind answering my question? Is the belief of trans people regarding their identity the only belief which is contrary to biology/fact that you accept as reality because of the belief of the individual? And if so, why?
If it was about what is humane the prisoner would have death as a choice. As it is, people go to great effort to avoid the death penalty.
It really doesn’t look like it was an attempt to simplify. It looks more like it was an attempt to ridicule, by making nonsensical comparisons.
Trans people exist. There is no question to be debated or awaiting your approval.
I’m not sure about what ‘transgenderism’ is. The term seems to have emerged from US far right circles as a generally derogatory term, to help them to continue their efforts to oppress and marginalise trans people. Merriam Webster defines an ‘ism’ as;
1 : a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory
2: an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief
The existence of trans people doesn’t fit either of these categories, so I can’t comment on such a nonsensical term.
I can confirm that trans people exist. Their existence has been noted as far back as biblical times. There is a century of medical evidence outlining the phenomenon, and how people were treated. I know trans people, I’ve met other trans people occasionally. Trans people exist.
No its was an example of how people can believe something that is not reality to be true,
The experiences & manifestations of mental illness are influenced by and individuals social & cultural background It can determine how individuals communicate their symptoms, influence their understanding of their illness, and determine the coping strategies they adopt and the type of interventions they seek.
My example was just to simplify the question ,
Not those specific scenarios, but have encountered many scenarios where people's self perception did not tally with reality.
Would you mind answering my question? Is transgenderism the only belief which is contrary to biology/fact that you accept as reality because of the belief of the individual? And if so, why?
So you definitely haven’t come across any such Cork, Dutch, Chinese scenarios yourself then?
I've no problem with the death penalty for murderers and paedos. Would save our state a fortune aswell so we can put more ukranians up in hotels and give them medical cards, and all sorts of welfare payments.
It was a different poster that posed that question and they were perhaps a little too specific which made it easier for you to give a non answer.
So I repeat:
"People believing they are something they are not happens quite often.
Do you agree that it is right or wrong to acknowledge and accept their beliefs as truth in all cases or just when it comes to transgenderism?"
The situations outlined about Cork, Dutch, Chinese people- do they happen much?
People believing they are something they are not happens quite often.
Do you agree that it is right or wrong to acknowledge and accept their beliefs as truth in all cases or just when it comes to transgenderism?
Do those situations happen very often, or at all?
The line is where ever the PC brigade tell him/her it is , this week ,
God forbid people think for themselves or answering questions on there merit without worrying what someone else might think of them even if there answer makes sense,
You can be whoever or whatever you want to be as long as you don't harm anyone but please leave me out of the silly games of making well thought out opinions invalid because they may hurt someone's feelings,
It isn't.
It would be if you would answer any of those questions posed.
Would you accept that you would be hypocritical if you didn't consider Rachel Dolezal an African American because she identified as one, yet would accept Caitlyn Jenner as a man because she identified as one?
Where in your mind is the tipping point of acceptance to another's "reality"?
Many people do argue that life without parole is cruel. Sure look at sentences in Ireland and the UK for violent crimes compared to the US, it's a huge difference.
But then look at all the people who tend to be angry that the person won't be in prison, like they've gotten a reprieve from punishment... "Oh death is too good for them, they should be rotting in a jail cell for the rest of their sorry existence!" etc etc.
Clearly, for a great many people, the death sentence is viewed as an easy way out. And prison time is seen as a better way to exact punishment or revenge for the evil deed.
Imagine you took the same view with your neighbour's dog who killed your son/daughter? "Oh death is too good for that horrible mean dog, lock him in a cage for next 10 years and let him rot!" You would quite rightly be seen as a cruel and sadistic person, incapable of acting in a humane manner because you have been overcome with rage and anger!
The death penalty is far more humane in many circumstances.
The death penalty is more about justice and "moral hazard" than anything else. Families of victims want revenge, understandably so.
