America has administered its first Lethal injection of 2023 to a transgender woman.
Why is a first world country still putting its citizens to death, particularly using a one drug method
As someone mentioned above how can a vet put a dog to sleep so peacefully but a human being cant be put to death in a similarly quick and efficient manner.
This is trans ideology right here in this post.
The important thing for the trans community in this case is not the horrible torture and death the actual victim of this man suffered.
The important thing is not the debate over the death penalty in the US.
No.
The only important point here is that the trans community don’t have their feelings hurt.
That is all. Nothing or nobody else matters except they.
Because that's what happened, the US executed a transgender woman.
It's the first time a transgender woman has been executed in the US, that is what made the story newsworthy.
If it wasn't a transgender woman, we probably wouldn't be hearing about it.
That'll sort out the criminals, oh wait, no it doesn't.
It isn't.
Hard to believe the guillotine was last used in France in 1977.
A rapist and a murderer got what they deserved.
putting people in jail with mental health there mad over there
Why do you think there's no justification for a death penalty ?
Being evil doesn't discriminate. Whatever your gender, geographical orientation or beliefs...
Badness doesn't take stock of orientation.
It's murder, it's horrendously expensive and it doesn't work.
What do you think would work on say a prolific serial killer type?
Break down the expenses for me please.
We could go around the clock talking about the cost of looking after serial killers, mass killer's, rehabilitation and care for these dregs. And the fact some people cannot be rehabilitated.
One foul execution of a proven guilty mass killer is much cheaper than the option of rehabilitation and care.
The death penalty is more expensive than the usual alternative of life without parole. One quote from this article but there are many more
• Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost of $24 million for each execution.
Execution is (excuse the terminology) a final solution. There is no comeback if an error is made.
Any time you discuss law like this, the most important aspect to look at is 'what happens if it goes wrong/there is an error in judgement' - in the case of execution, it's an innocent person being executed.
Do you want to live in a country where your state could potentially incorrectly execute you? I know I don't.
Why is it so expensive. It shouldn’t be, if the conviction is deemed sound then just get on with the execution.
If there is a legitimate reason for appeal transfer them to a different prison until a final decision is made.
$24,000,000 for each execution. There's a lot of money in executive decisions for sure.
Maybe the multiple life sentences need to be kept as a reserve.
If someone is found to have had a botched trial, I suppose it makes things easier if a further sentence is in place.
I don't know if it would apply, but if you had the hypothetical case where a witness testified to a murder, one of several the defendant commited, and it turned out years later that the witness was lying, would not several life sentences avoid an expensive retrial as a penalty would still be in place for the other crimes?
the cost is for a lot more than executive decisions.
I guess in these modern times, mistakes are so few and far apart, the odd error can be tolerated.
Salem burnt their witches in their modern times, what on earth could the problem be?
Is it justified to take someones life to justify another persons thirst for revenge?
Personally I think it just makes life cheap, a bit like the Americans love for guns, they happily trade the things and tolerate mass killings for their "freedom to bear arms".
There is a slight problem that the more distance you put between a murderer and a victim, the easier it is to kill.
To my western style views, it seems like they bring a lot of their problems down on themselves, then use more of the same to address the faults.
I know they say you can't fight fire with fire. I see where you're coming from. Eye for an eye and all that.
Man slaughter, such as two people getting into a fight and one falling over hitting their head and dying is probably different than something that's premeditated.
I seen something there a while back about a lady who's young daughter was horrifically tortured by a man.
She pulled out a gun in the court room and shot him dead. I think she did three years.
Ok she broke the law, got into trouble but that won't bring her daughter back.
There's a difference when you loose a family member to a psychopath. She didn't regret it either. I suppose for some when it's that close to home, your animal instincts kick in and self control goes out the window.
Hopefully you nor I will never be in a position of being blamed in the wrong. I think that's a good point you made there.
Indeed, there are some disgusting individuals out there, but having taken an interest in this almost exclusively American approach, I have become more and more attuned against it.
The DP is full of contradictions, the Republicans who want to spare life at any costs it seems, have such an enthusiasm for guns and general carnage that knows no bounds after the sprog pops into the world. Ten minutes prior to that the poor mite is protected as securely as Fort Knox.
The number of DP fanatics expressing regret at the leniency of the death penalty or the fact that it can only be applied once, suggests that maybe the worst of those in the courtroom might be those observing.
Then of course there are the group that have no faith in the American justice system, fearing the killer will be set free or escape. The logic that the justice system can be trusted to convict and punish with a death sentence, yet fails when keeping dangerous criminals out of society never seems to cross their minds.
That of course is not even touching on the racism that seems to be an accepted part of the American justice system.
I just wonder why the proponents of capital punishment who seem to have all the answers don't just figure out a way of reinstating the victims of their errors?
Good
Zero precent chance that he will reoffend . ever
the trans issue , isnt a issue
I wonder why no one has used "an eye for an eye" in response to the jury that convicts the killer wrongfully?
It seems odd that people like yourself are so sure about convictions, yet they are not willing to take any responsibility when mistakes are made.
Like the English with their Brexit, people that have lied and have changed the lives of millions for the worse, get off scot free without any comeback.
As far as I recollect not one single person was held accountable in the UK for the lies and beatings in the Birmingham Six case.
There is nothing good about the death of an individual if it is brought about through vengeance.
Maybe I stand to be corrected on this but is America the only country that could be described as a "western democracy" that still has the death penalty.
So Europe, Canada, South America, Australia New Zealand etc all manage to not execute people.
Why is the US such an outlier.
Zero percent of these guys living after their incorrect executions too:
The Death Penalty Information Center has identified at least 190 former death-row prisoners in the United States who have been exonerated since 1973. DPIC reported in February 2021 that exonerated death-row prisoners had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in 29 different states and in 118 different counties.
Interesting article on this topic. Don't think it will change the minds of death penalty supporters, but for me it is an indictment of an otherwise civilised western country. (Obviously with it's issues like everywhere else)
I'd rather be executed than spend the rest of my life in prison.
