America has administered its first Lethal injection of 2023 to a transgender woman.
Why is a first world country still putting its citizens to death, particularly using a one drug method
I can hear the man with harmonica song playing while the fingers are nervously hovering above the report button…
You're missing the point though. If you were exonerated after being locked up for a period, you wouldn't be spending your life in prison as you'd be freed at some stage.
Kind of hard to do if you'd been executed.
Which is why the death penalty is seen as a more humane punishment by many people, rather than locking someone up for the rest of their life.
This is why I would be in favor of the death penalty for certain crimes. Locking people up for the rest of their life is extremely cruel and inhumane treatment, and far too many people in society gain pleasure and enjoyment from this practice. It's sickening really. The state should not involve itself in such sadistic practices... much better to just humanely put someone down, just like you might a dangerous animal.
That they were mentally ill.
What idea ?
What difference does that make?
The woman who was murdered you mean.
A man murdered a woman.
3 years ago as his execution date grew ever nearer, and with a huge wave of sympathy for the trans community sweeping the world, he decided he was actually a woman.
I will draw my own conclusions from that sudden turn of events, you are free to draw your own.
Where did you get that idea?
Getting it wrong once is once too many.
Had an easier death than the person who was murdered.
If euthanasia was legalised in a country with the death penalty, would a lifetime in prison qualify someone for it? In countries that have euthanasia you have to prove you are mentally sound and capable of understanding the decision. Do criminals have the right and is a lifetime in prison unbearable suffering to the same degree as being incapacitated by illness?
I'm against the death penalty, I think there's no place for it in a modern society. I also think people should have a right to choose to die if they are fit to make that decision. Would choosing to die be escaping justice?
So what your saying is America executed a mentally ill person ,
Hardly news or a first is it ,
I'd rather be executed than spend the rest of my life in prison.
Interesting article on this topic. Don't think it will change the minds of death penalty supporters, but for me it is an indictment of an otherwise civilised western country. (Obviously with it's issues like everywhere else)
Zero percent of these guys living after their incorrect executions too:
The Death Penalty Information Center has identified at least 190 former death-row prisoners in the United States who have been exonerated since 1973. DPIC reported in February 2021 that exonerated death-row prisoners had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in 29 different states and in 118 different counties.
Maybe I stand to be corrected on this but is America the only country that could be described as a "western democracy" that still has the death penalty.
So Europe, Canada, South America, Australia New Zealand etc all manage to not execute people.
Why is the US such an outlier.
I wonder why no one has used "an eye for an eye" in response to the jury that convicts the killer wrongfully?
It seems odd that people like yourself are so sure about convictions, yet they are not willing to take any responsibility when mistakes are made.
Like the English with their Brexit, people that have lied and have changed the lives of millions for the worse, get off scot free without any comeback.
As far as I recollect not one single person was held accountable in the UK for the lies and beatings in the Birmingham Six case.
There is nothing good about the death of an individual if it is brought about through vengeance.
Good
Zero precent chance that he will reoffend . ever
the trans issue , isnt a issue
Indeed, there are some disgusting individuals out there, but having taken an interest in this almost exclusively American approach, I have become more and more attuned against it.
The DP is full of contradictions, the Republicans who want to spare life at any costs it seems, have such an enthusiasm for guns and general carnage that knows no bounds after the sprog pops into the world. Ten minutes prior to that the poor mite is protected as securely as Fort Knox.
The number of DP fanatics expressing regret at the leniency of the death penalty or the fact that it can only be applied once, suggests that maybe the worst of those in the courtroom might be those observing.
Then of course there are the group that have no faith in the American justice system, fearing the killer will be set free or escape. The logic that the justice system can be trusted to convict and punish with a death sentence, yet fails when keeping dangerous criminals out of society never seems to cross their minds.
That of course is not even touching on the racism that seems to be an accepted part of the American justice system.
I just wonder why the proponents of capital punishment who seem to have all the answers don't just figure out a way of reinstating the victims of their errors?
Hopefully you nor I will never be in a position of being blamed in the wrong. I think that's a good point you made there.
I know they say you can't fight fire with fire. I see where you're coming from. Eye for an eye and all that.
Man slaughter, such as two people getting into a fight and one falling over hitting their head and dying is probably different than something that's premeditated.
I seen something there a while back about a lady who's young daughter was horrifically tortured by a man.
She pulled out a gun in the court room and shot him dead. I think she did three years.
Ok she broke the law, got into trouble but that won't bring her daughter back.
There's a difference when you loose a family member to a psychopath. She didn't regret it either. I suppose for some when it's that close to home, your animal instincts kick in and self control goes out the window.
Is it justified to take someones life to justify another persons thirst for revenge?
Personally I think it just makes life cheap, a bit like the Americans love for guns, they happily trade the things and tolerate mass killings for their "freedom to bear arms".
There is a slight problem that the more distance you put between a murderer and a victim, the easier it is to kill.
To my western style views, it seems like they bring a lot of their problems down on themselves, then use more of the same to address the faults.
I guess in these modern times, mistakes are so few and far apart, the odd error can be tolerated.
Salem burnt their witches in their modern times, what on earth could the problem be?
the cost is for a lot more than executive decisions.
Maybe the multiple life sentences need to be kept as a reserve.
If someone is found to have had a botched trial, I suppose it makes things easier if a further sentence is in place.
I don't know if it would apply, but if you had the hypothetical case where a witness testified to a murder, one of several the defendant commited, and it turned out years later that the witness was lying, would not several life sentences avoid an expensive retrial as a penalty would still be in place for the other crimes?
$24,000,000 for each execution. There's a lot of money in executive decisions for sure.
Why is it so expensive. It shouldn’t be, if the conviction is deemed sound then just get on with the execution.
If there is a legitimate reason for appeal transfer them to a different prison until a final decision is made.
Execution is (excuse the terminology) a final solution. There is no comeback if an error is made.
Any time you discuss law like this, the most important aspect to look at is 'what happens if it goes wrong/there is an error in judgement' - in the case of execution, it's an innocent person being executed.
Do you want to live in a country where your state could potentially incorrectly execute you? I know I don't.
The death penalty is more expensive than the usual alternative of life without parole. One quote from this article but there are many more
• Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost of $24 million for each execution.
Break down the expenses for me please.
We could go around the clock talking about the cost of looking after serial killers, mass killer's, rehabilitation and care for these dregs. And the fact some people cannot be rehabilitated.
One foul execution of a proven guilty mass killer is much cheaper than the option of rehabilitation and care.
