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Orange is the new Burke

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  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Magnolia Hissing Youth


    For me what’s wrong with that picture is the teenagers..



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As I said, read any article on the topic, its been widely reported and fully documented in each article as to why he ended up behind bars



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He's not in jail

    Dress it up how you like, he was in jail for breaching a court order



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    He was suspended pending an investigation of him harassing a co-worker. Everything else has come due to his insistence on interfering with the suspension. It has nothing to do with his religion or trans dogma, whatever that is.



  • Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They asked to be called by a different first name, yes.

    That shouldn't be such an issue. People changing their names is not all that uncommon - there is an office dedicated to it in the Courts Service. It's usually done by common usage or can be done legally by executing a deed poll. (This includes minors, with parental consent, which this student had).

    It's also not uncommon for people to adopt nicknames totally unrelated to their given names, or use abbreviated versions of their given name - e.g. Anthony asks to go by Anto or Tony, or some other nickname and it is no big deal.

    Yet if Anthony asks to be called Antonia then suddenly, their choice of name becomes this huge deal?

    It's really only a big deal for those like Burke who choose to make it so, and try to make it about them. It's worth adding, that the act of deliberately mis-naming or mis-pronouncing anyone's name is at least seen as a micro-aggression and at worst as bullying, in the workplace. Something most reasonable people would try avoid. This does not just apply to trans people, it also applies to colleagues from other countries whose names may be difficult to pronounce. So you learn to pronounce them, and to call people by their chosen names.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,158 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,709 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    The court ruling on whether or not to grant the injunction against the school holding a disciplinary hearing happens on Wednesday (11th), the meeting itself is scheduled for the 19th

    Nobody is going to do anything until then, he'll likely turn up every day until then. Frankly every day he turns up gives the school more ammunition for this disciplinary hearing anyway.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/01/04/enoch-burke-seeks-injunction-to-block-school-disciplinary-meeting/



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Magnolia Hissing Youth


    It’s not that it’s okay. The judge, rightly, released him because he was making a mockery of the courts. He clocked he was just staying there to garner attention, it was a sink on the tax payer because while paying his wages he was using more tax money to pay for his prison stay.

    Now the court has decided that should he find himself yet again in contempt, they will punish him in other ways. Be that fines or whatever else might work. The fact is being in prison wasn’t enough of a punishment or deterrent for Burke.

    I don’t know about you, but if I was in prison for contempt of court, refused to purge it, but got a literal get out of jail free card I wouldn’t be back doing what got me there in the first place. He’s an attention seeking lunatic and at this stage & should be shunned. This media circus following his every move is just encouraging him and his family of what are frankly documented attention seekers.

    Look at their behaviour just in the past few months? His mother shouting at judges, much like she did during WRC hearings with Ammi (why was she even there?) decrying a corrupt system because they won’t do exactly what the Burkes want. I’ve seen claims they’re well liked and respected on this thread which of its own is a load of rubbish.

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    Well liked and respected? No, I don’t think so. Only by mirrors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,955 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    What is the trans agenda? I could use a giggle.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Magnolia Hissing Youth


    What’s the trans agenda exactly? To be afforded basic human dignity and respect?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,126 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Including the nineteen year old obese man? Beauty pageants are a load of cack no matter who is in them, but for those partaking, in this instance at least, the competition was rigged and stolen from the women taking part.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭munster87




  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Magnolia Hissing Youth


    He won’t return to his job, he’s finished. He’s made a clown of himself, who the hell would hire him?

    Look at Ammi, sacked from Arthur Cox November 2019 and she’s still unemployed. Look at the similarity in her behaviour though? High court challenges, WRC hearings, having the Gardai called to remove her, protests with her family etc etc.

    The fact of the matter is no matter how good you might be at something if you’re too much trouble you’re getting no where. Ammi could have left Cox and played it off as a difference of opinion, prob convinced the firm to write a letter to that effect to get her out of their hair and got a new job.

    Enoch could have found a different school, wouldn’t even need to BS anyway, just outright tell the principal you don’t agree with the trans thing or say nothing and move on— either way they’d have been happy to get rid of him rather than deal with this drama.

    So, knowing all of that, are you still seriously going to suggest that Enoch Burke has anymore of a hope of teaching in a school in Ireland again?

    I’e say when pigs fly, but let’s say, when Ammi practices law again.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Magnolia Hissing Youth


    If you’re 19 you’re an adult. And I don’t see any man? I see a transgender woman though.

    Also that’s a very long winded way to say “I don’t like trans people”. You’re not saving face, the message is clear, you’re a bigot.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That you cannot comprehend the situation is of no surprise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Random sample


    Is his misdemeanour bad enough to be sacked though? I’ve never experienced a teacher shouting at a principal, but I wonder is it a sackable offence? Surely there are other punishments could be used?


    I wonder why the principal has left? And will she be back for the hearing?



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Factually incorrect.

    He was held in contempt of court for breaching an injunction



  • Posts: 522 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s a belief that a man can become a woman and to push that belief on to kids.

    Its the exact same pattern as the old Catholic dogma that dominated this country, especially children's education, for years.

    They're two cheeks of the same arse. The only difference is right now only one cheek gets sent to prison.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Magnolia Hissing Youth


    I find it hard to believe you are short sightedly focusing on making a scene in front of the school as the only case for dismissal here?

    Try attending school while suspended in defiance of court orders, try making a public show of himself and the school on numerous occasions. He was arrested at the school a few months ago for breaching the same orders. He’s finished.

    I don’t know if you have a job, but let me be the first to tell you if not, just one of those things is more than enough to get you sacked. His conduct, in his role of caring for and teaching children, is abhorrent. If he’s not sacked for this I’m going to emigrate I swear to god, because I just don’t want to live in a country whereby someone can act like this clown and get away with it. It’s an absolutely terrifying proposition.

    As for the principal, I’m sure she had her reasons to leave. I’m sure Burke was high on those list of reasons. You wouldn’t leave? I would.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,126 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,955 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    "Push that belief"

    To what end? What is the outcome of this "agenda".



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Magnolia Hissing Youth


    So which part are you most upset about? That they won and they’re fat or they won and their trans?

    Me, I don’t give a **** who wins, cos the whole competition is a piss take.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The only difference is right now only one cheek gets sent to prison.

    Anyone who breaches an injunction can be held in contempt of court at the courts discretion until

    1. They purge the contempt by agreeing to adhere to the injunction - Burke refused to do so
    2. The contempt is changed from coercive to punitive with the handing down of a sentence - This has not happened yet but may happen in the future if the school pushes the issue. Also open to the courts is financial penalty and this has been flagged to Burke as a possibility by one of the judges
    3. The contempt is quashed by the court and he is released. This is what was done before the xmas

    These are the same list of options for anyone held in contempt

    Despite all his assertions, Burke is not special, his issue is not special. He is getting the same treatment as anyone else who breaches an injunction because of his actions and failure to follow the direction of the courts.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Ah, so there is no major plot unfolding then. You are just struggling to keep up with society. Over something that's become topical recently but has been occurring for centuries.

    Transgenderism was just the next closet to unlock after most of society ditched gay bashing. Let people find their place in the world, instead of closing it out on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,126 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    "Also that’s a very long winded way to say “I don’t like trans people”. You’re not saving face, the message is clear, you’re a bigot."

    No. What I don't like is men claiming they are women and women claiming they are men in a concerted effort to displace real women and real men in otherwise fair competition. That's not bigotry. You should check yourself before throwing out the usual dismissive language.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    That's a bit like the Underpants Gnomes

    1. Collect Underpants
    2. ????
    3. Profit

    You're leaving out the really important step in the middle that actually landed him in jail.

    And I know you're deliberately doing that, and pointing it out to you isn't going to change anything.

    The thing is, no matter how many times that lie is repeated by Enoch, his supporters, or random re-reg trolls, it will change absolutely nothing. It's an internet argument, and it has no bearing on real life. His disciplinary process and the court hearings arising from it will all be about his actions in confronting the Principal and attending school while suspended and ordered by the court. He can try all he wants (and he will), but his opinions about trans people or pronouns simply won't come into any of it.

    What Enoch could have done was told the Principal calmly that he objected to the direction to use the "they" pronoun on religious grounds, and gone about his business. Then, if there had been any sanction against him for failing to do so, he could have had a proper opportunity to claim religious discrimination. But of course he didn't do that, because he knew full well that there wouldn't have been any sanction against him, so he had to manufacture victimhood by his outburst.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Random sample


    I’m just not sure any of those things can be brought up at this hearing, it may have to focus on the reason for his suspension and not on the things that have happened since.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Factually incorrect, he was placed in jail because he refused to adhere to a court injunction

    For some reason you also seem to be under the impression he is still in jail. He's not. He was released before Xmas

    the legal situation and steps along the way are laid out fully in the link below. I suggest you educate yourself as you seem to be working off incorrect info




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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