I wonder how this will work out for him
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Grand and then there is the bit where he stalked the school while suspended.
This might come across as very naive but if you have an issue with policy you would write a complaint to management and maybe have a meeting about it. If they dismiss your complaint you have two choices, leave or accept it. This is the way the world functions, no? Any alternative would be chaos.
Just to be clear, you've confirmed above that you yourself recognise that trans people do exist.
Has your own common sense gone extinct?
That's not the Burke family way of doing things.
It is normal for a person to use a related and relevant item to make a point AJr. You do that when you try to claim Electric Vehicles are as polluting as Diesel Vehicles because of the brake dust and tyre particles they produce 😉.
I made my position clear on the subject of womens sports. I don't expect to see you accept my point as plainly a I have put it. You prefer to paint it in ways suited to your online narrative.
I assume you are a hetero male...maybe i wrong. Perhaps you are comfortable ith the idea of fornicating with someone who was born a male and then transitioned. Call me traditional, I'm not fond of the idea.
How are you gonna make money off the Yanks acting reasonable like that.
The question no doubt he will pose when he sues the School is, why should he leave if he feels he is right?. It will be up to a Judge to decide if that argument has merit. You have to also consider that given the publicity attached to his sister, the chances of securing employment if he resigned might be limited.
But he wasn't 'just objecting to the school policy'. He was banging on in Court about how it would contradict HIS belief system if he had use chosen pronouns for this student.
He doesn't have to do anything for this student. He has no dealings with this student.
He's deliberately chosen to pick a fight on a theoretical scenario, backed up by his family at a minimum, and possibly backed up by other external movements only too delighted to fund a divisive legal battle and make a victim out of Burke.
Trans people. Yes,they exist. What other name are we using for a person who thinks they are the opposite sex to the one they are?
Burke's actions at the school's 260th anniverary church service and dinner are what led the Principal to file a report to the school’s board of management citing ‘serious concerns’ about his conduct and that resulted in his suspension.
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I agree that he deserved to be jailed. Jailed for defying a court order.
as regards his not wanting to address people using pronouns. That’s a very divisive subject.
He did go to a judge and the judge told him to stay the fuk away from the school.
Burke doesn't seem interested in what the court says.
Stalked the school? I didn't see that anywhere.
For a start, I've never said that "Electric Vehicles are as polluting as Diesel Vehicles because of the brake dust and tyre particles they produce" but it seems a little bit of accuracy is too much to expect from you.
You absolutely did make your position clear. There was no lack of clarity at all. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of getting all uppity about this niche issue for women's sport when you clearly have no interest in sport at all. It's a bandwagon, a flag of convenience, a stick for you to beat trans people with, though you've no actual interest in sport at all.
If you don't want to fornicate with someone who has transitioned, then I can only suggest that you don't fornicate with someone who is transitioned. A school policy about treating trans students with a tiny bit of human respect will not require you to fornicate with anyone that you don't want to fornicate with. Is this just an attempt to move the goalposts when you realise that your 'womens sport' concerns aren't too convincing?
Ya, that’s the jist of it, but the Principal’s complaint, as reported in the paper states that he walked after her, questioning her loudly, she does that say he accosted/threatened her, as has been claimed on this thread.
Well I suppose a cu*t is useful, I think I'm useful but Burke appears to be about as useful as a fart in a spacesuit.
No argument there, thumbing their nose at the legal system seems to be a family pastime.
Are you not falling into your own category of "Before common sense went extinct, people thought it crazy if a man hought he was a woman" there? Has your own common sense gone extinct?
It's not that divisive for the vast majority of people. For example he is the only one making an issue of this in whole school.
You understand that prior to this he was, and technically still is a teacher, are teachers not useful?
Read the papers. That's exactly what he was doing this week.
It's only divisive for those who don't want to treat trans people with a little bit of human respect.
Each teacher doesn't get a veto on school policies. There's a process for developing and approving policies, with final approval by the Board of Management, which includes one teacher elected by the teaching staff. If you don't like every school policy, that's tough. You either live with it, or you step down from your role.
Level headed and "normal" teachers are, he is neither of those things.
I disagree. Plenty plenty argue exact same as him in general society, and would be a he/she black and white viewpoint on the subject. To say the topic of pronoun addressing is not divisive is wrong. I’d say it’s very evenly disagreed on.
just because only he has been so vocal on it doesn’t mean other people are all on-board and agree with pronoun addressing.
The thread is about what? I might leave you to it.
Some of the reading comprehension in here is very poor.
Got in with a a group of random people in the pub last night for a while where this topic came up; some of the group seem to know the Burkes too well as they are from the same locale as the Burke family. Enoch was spoken of with some derision and noone supported him or seemed to give a damn that he spent anytime in prison. It was a 'what's he up to now' kinda convo.
On the other hand when the conversation moved on to the pronouns there was not one jot of sympathy for the pupil in question just a lot of rolling of eyes on that topic.
All perfectly sensible commentary if you ask me :)
No surprise here at all.
I think there’s a misconception that just because he was the only vocal objector to the policy, and actually went to jail as a result of his pursuing his objection,(defying court order) that the vast majority people have no negative views on pronoun addressing.
personally, I have encountered plenty who think it’s a joke, and a world gone mad. That you’re a he/she/male/female and away with ya.
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I've found a lot of sympathy for the kid in my circles. I guess it depends who you are drinking with.
Hopefully they get Burke out of that school and the principal can stop supervising the biggest child in the school and his silly opinions and get back to focusing on the kids.
Kind of separate here: but what would folks think of a policy that was more in between and inclusive: along the lines of “we know this is a delicate type scenario, but if a child wants to be referred to by they and them, we’d like if you would agree, but if this is something you feel strongly against and would prefer he/she/him/her, we respect this.”
kind of like basic diplomacy and trying to be fair to all..and maybe the children as well would feel less on the spotlight, as well as learning that not everything one wants, one gets. That tolerance and compromise are very important.
Indeed and Burke's 'crime' if we call it that, was to stick his head over the parapet in a public way and be lambasted for it. But it doesn't seem that this bothers him or his family, if they are 'cancelled' in modern social media. They are guided by their evangelical outlook on life. And whether or not you agree with him/ them, you have to admire him for standing over his principles.
There's a deal of people on this thread who have been downright abusive of Enoch and the Burkes. You'd wonder why they seem to hate these people so much?
I hope the substantive matter behind this row does get to the courts and we see how the judiciary view the balancing of various rights. It could be very interesting.
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