This guys in the news quite a lot recently.
This seems a bit too far. Is primary a bit too young for this ideology? Certainly “endocrine supports” for young kids seems a bit scary as the changes can be irreversible.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/transgender-issues-should-be-part-of-primary-curriculum-says-childrens-minister-roderic-ogorman-42256827.html
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If you take an answer along the lines of, "it's up to the parents how they talk to the kids" as an adequate answer, which let's be honest, it isn't.
Your answer is closer than anyone else has offered. It's my opinion that it's a bit **** to say to a young kid that they're pretending to be a mummy and I wouldn't be surprised if that got back to the child in the playground in a teasing manner.
Edited to add, I missed how you also misgendered the parent. That's not ok.
I would be surprised. Because I have raised my kids to be kind and to respect my wishes. Granted, they won't always as they get older, but such is life.
You may think it's a bit ****, but I think it's worse to tell a child that a man can go to bed and suddenly wake up as a woman. That's the kind of stuff that would give a child nightmares.
Can you misgender an imaginary person??
Your kid asks you about someone's mammy who they heard (on the playground) was once their daddy and are confused and you say to them, "Don't mind that"?
This is why I'm not against teaching it in an age appropriate manner by professionals in schools.
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In the case I gave you, they are not.
Going by boards posts there may be a link with those who see no issue with children being brought to drag shows and those who don't like it when parents want to protect their children from the latest fad. Some people are warped
No one is arguing (at least what I've seen) about what parents should be teaching their children - only you don't trust parents to educate their children (yourself exempted of course).
This is about if and what schools should be teaching on this subject.
Some good info online https://curriculumonline.ie/Primary/
I'd be very against my child learning from a teacher who explained it like you did.
You would be very against your child learning from a teacher who explained it like I did.
I wouldn't be happy with a teacher explaining it my way because it isn't their place to do so.
You only have no issue with "professionals" doing it because it aligns with your belief.
That's the difference
No, people are saying schools shouldn't teach trans issues, it should be up to the parents. So I asked what would they say, and so far one poster misgendered the parent and would tell their kid they're pretending to be a mummy. Yeah, I don't trust people to be impartial here, and I would trust schools more.
The family you know are not imaginary. The imaginary family that my kid come home and talks about are very much imaginary.
As someone above said, I’d just tell the kid that some people want to dress up and play pretend, and nice people play along with them. That’s all a kid of 6/7/8 needs to know.
No. I respect the trans individual and you think they're pretending and misgender them. That's the difference.
Thanks, I'm really glad to see it spelled out in black and white, and exactly why I'd like to leave it up to professionals who respect the trans individuals.
O'Gorman is 100% right to push this.
Excuse me? You asked me what I would say to a child. I told the child to refer to the parent as they wanted. I wouldn't be too bashful about referring to someone who is a daddy as a he when explaining this to a child. You may not think that's not ok, but I do when explaining to a child that a man is living as a woman. I think my misgendering is cancelled by the fact I told my child to refer to that person as they like to be called.
Ffs... You asked me how I would speak to my daughter in your hypothetical situation and give out to me for misgendering. That's not ok...but telling my daughter that there is a possibility that she may go asleep and wake up as a man is just dandy.
My answer was. Jesus.
It's so creepy that this govmt is determined to instruct our children on this particular 1/1000 issue. Of course we all know what would be the landslide result if there was a referendum on this topic. Instead we have our Dept of Social Protection "protecting us from ourselves" and a media that pretends not to notice any dichotomy. It's more of that abundance of care that we're used to from the govmt ;-)
Pretend? Trans people dont pretend their gender
No, I wouldnt say dont mind that! But now you seem to agree that a professional needs to explain it, ie not a primary school teacher. At the end of the day, I dont think there are resources to engage these professionals in primary schools, for what affects so so few children. Thats a horrible reality, but look at what parents of special needs kids have to deal with, they dont get professionals to explain downs syndrome or autism to the kids.
I don't respect them because I don't know them.
My conversation with my daughter might be different if I did but it certainly wouldn't be "people can just wake up as boys and girls randomly".
A teacher is a professional in this area? Right.
I mean when we've got professionals unable to define what a woman is to other adults I somehow doubt they'll be able to explain the nuance of what a transexual is to a child that is not their own - certainly not in a way that would offend someone.
It's the parents responsibility to explain this to their children in a way that they feel is appropriate for them. This may include some simplifications depending on their maturity. It is the height of arrogance for you to criticise how they parent.
Teachers ARE the professionals I'm referring to.
If parents want to teach their kids to be anti trans them being told in primary school about trans issues isn't going to stop that from happening.
I don't think anyone would have an issues with something targeted at say transition year students in secondary school where the topic could be discussed in greater detail.
Adding trans issues to the primary curriculum just feels tokenistic and hollow and to echo the sentiments of other posters it is also an issue that doesn't really need to be part of primary school education.
You told your kid that your neighbour fell asleep a man and he woke up as a woman ffs. Kafkaesque. The stuff of nightmares. I can fall asleep and wake up as something else, wtf??
You said that you told your child that the man fell asleep and woke up as a woman one day because you respect trans people.
And because you didn't like what the poster would hypothetically say to their child, you want the government to go ahead 100% with teaching kids about transgenderism
You've said that you want to leave it up to the people who respect trans people. Like you do... Who would explain it like you did.
I didn't put any words in your mouth
Ffs. It's a young kid. Get over yourself.
Exactly, young kids have very active imaginations. Telling them they can metamorphosis overnight is a horrific thing to put into their young minds.
Yeah, you did. Why can't you admit it? There's a handy quote feature which you're well used to using, so why didn't you use it?
Anyway, we are going wildly off topic at this stage.
You are supposing a lot about primary school teachers. They are trained to teach basic education in core subjects, maybe do a few extra courses during their career, but nothing based on transgender issues, they are not equipped to be educating small kids on transgender issues. And I have seen the results of their one day courses on autism/aspergers, suddenly they misdiagnosed my child for lack of eye contact (teacher was a bully, he was scared of her)
No, I'm not engaging, or taking criticism from someone who would willingly misgender and say a trans individual pretends. Nope.
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