This guys in the news quite a lot recently.
This seems a bit too far. Is primary a bit too young for this ideology? Certainly “endocrine supports” for young kids seems a bit scary as the changes can be irreversible.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/transgender-issues-should-be-part-of-primary-curriculum-says-childrens-minister-roderic-ogorman-42256827.html
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Trans ideology isn’t ‘the common good’
The state has no business pushing this onto kids.
Gosh it really is such incredible horse$hit isn't it?
Literally defining something as outside of the scope of the thing itself.
and I though irrational numbers were crazy.
Do the people who claim to be allies of the community view the above two genders i mentioned as real as male and female?
Or do you just want to teach children that men can be women and women can be men?
What a weird series of posts. Do you spend much time looking for and reading about this stuff.
Does it give you the feel good to get outraged.
Has either of these terms been proposed as the curriculum by anyone ever for children other than by you just now?
I mean we teach children about sex education should we also teach them about pegging and pony play?
What a wild ride.
That little nugget refers to neglect and children being taken into care. Not exactly something which the State has a great track record in to be honest.
Parents instilling their own morality in their children absolutely fails the proportionality test of "safety and welfare being prejudicially affected". It's a ridiculous argument that you are trying to make, if not a rather chilling one that the State needs or must intervene here.
As for the family, as a married person my rights are protected to instill an education on my children. Of which I'm glad. If such instruction is brought into schools it must be opt out and be convenient to opt out.
It’s entirely debatable what constitutes ‘trans ideology’, let alone whether or not it is in the interests of furthering the common good, let alone whether or not it should be taught in Irish schools. The State does of course have business pushing whatever the hell it wants in Irish schools, in furtherance of its objectives as guardian of the common good.
It doesn’t need to in most cases because Irish schools have already taken it upon themselves to teach children about these ideas as part of their education, rendering any argument about whether they should or they shouldn’t, pretty much moot at this point. Bit late for that really -
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/exploring-gender-identity-in-primary-schools-37429108.html
Roderic was asked the question directly, and his point in suggesting that it was important to refine the school curriculum is that primary school children are getting an understanding of diversity -
Asked if school children should be taught more about what it means to be transgender, the minister said “absolutely”, adding it was important to refine the school curriculum to ensure pupils “are getting an understanding of diversity”.
When asked if this applied not only to secondary schools pupils but also to those at primary level, he said: “I think it’s important that primary school children as well have an understanding of the diversity of our society.”
It’s essentially the kind of vague answer one expects of a politician - agreeable, but nothing specific.
Yes, Roderic has said that Primary school children should ABSOLUTELY be educated about what it means to be transgender. Those two genders are part of transgender identities..... unless you believe that they aren't?
And do I spend a lot of time reading about transgenderism? I wouldn't say a lot. But I do like to know about what I am discussing. A very quick look at a list of gender identities was all that was required to pick out those two.
And no, I don't like to be outraged. I do like robust discussion. There is a difference.
Now if you don't mind, can you please answer some questions seeing as how I had the decency to answer yours.
How many gender identities do you think there are?
How many should be taught in school if gender identity is to be part of the curriculum?
If not all of them, which are the ones you believe should be taught and why?
*Edit - I missed your edit where you included "I mean we teach children about sex education should we also teach them about pegging and pony play?"
No we shouldn't. Sex education is not the karma sutra. The mind boggles to think what you think is taught in Sex Education and how it is similar in any way to gender identity.
Trans abuse has hardly been the defining element of this thread in fairness.
Posts like this is are exactly why Teachers shouldn’t be teaching kids about changing sex.
Could be an absolute dope doing it
And that’s all wonderful stuff, still largely irrelevant, but as for this bit -
If such instruction is brought into schools it must be opt out and be convenient to opt out.
It’s already out-out, but how convenient it is to do so depends entirely on schools resources, and if we were to take a far more common example in Irish schools - the right of children to opt out of religious instruction, well, I wouldn’t call it convenient to do so, and instruction in relation to relationships and sex education operates in a similar fashion -
In response to a request for comment, the Department of Education said the manner in which any school ensures that the right to opt out of religion classes is upheld “is a matter for the school concerned”.
A spokesman said each individual school must determine arrangements which are most appropriate in its individual circumstances, having regard to local issues such as available space, supervision requirements and how the school organises classes.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/schools-not-outlining-plans-for-those-opting-out-of-religion-survey-finds-1.4410079
That’ll be the sound of parents being told to stay in their lane.
No he didn't he responded with " absolutely" to a question the rest you have made up.
Weird stuff to make up but there you go that's boards ca forum.
Ah stop you posted 4 points how many of them are still valid now.
🤣🤣🤣
Claiming abuse - the old standard tactic of getting a discussion closed that's not going the posters way.
Primary school children should be educated about what it means to be transgender, Children’s Minister Roderic O’Gorman has said.
Its the first line of the article.
What did I make up? The answers to your questions? Yes. That's how answers work. I think about the question posed to me, then formulate a response.
Noted that you refuse to answer any of my simple and direct questions. It's almost as if you aren't able to.
I posted three points (they were numbered) and they're all valid.
Sorry, who's claiming abuse?
"There has yet to be any abuse of trans people or posts made calling into question trans rights in any way shape or form on this thread, so any statements about anti trans rhetoric etc are wildly inaccurate and do nothing to engender a reasoned discussion"
Provable nonsense. Not a valid point. There's been threadbans and post deletions.
Just like nothing has been proposed to be added to the curriculum no abuse was claimed in this thread but there is a whole cohort of outraged posters who need an enemy to fight. So where none exist they invent a bogey man.
This thread is a perfect example no change has actually been suggested to the curriculum but we have all the outraged posters outraged about absolutely nothing and now reaching to find a bogey man.
Weird.
Asked if school children should be taught more about what it means to be transgender, the minister said “absolutely”
Has there been an ongoing vein of anti trans rhetoric on this thread today for example?
Yeah that's absolutely a bogeyman.
Engage outrage.
Was that your point? No, I don't think it was. If it was, you phrased it incredibly poorly.
I've pointed out that that particular point (point no. 2) was incorrect and invalid.
Just move on.
Why the heck are you saying engage outrage? It seems you dont want discussion
I think it’s a parody account.
You've made a lot of incredible poor arguments yourself. And another poster agreeing with you has been abusive towards anyone and everyone who disagrees with them, a difficult starting point for attempting to take the moral high ground.
Incorrect and invalid? He didn’t see the abuse because it was rightly deleted.
“there are three sexes”
”gender is a social construct”.
Stating you don’t trust some parents to raise their own children because you don’t agree with their views.
You’ve made a mess of yourself in here.
Engage discussion.
Minister for children says that he wants to include transgenderism in primary school curriculum and his dept is looking at the legality of under 16s transitioning legally.
Nothing to see here folks.
The time for discussion is when it's too late dontcha know.
I've fed you enough for one day.
And I moved on... Like I suggested you should.
They've been told there's been thread bans over abuse, yet they still say their point is valid, and then moved the goalposts to say has it been happening today? Get out of here.
As for my other "mess"? There's enough out there that backs me up. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363#gender
As an aside, and to try and bring it back to anywhere NEAR the original post, I'm still not incredibly surprised that on a thread where certain posters are hysterical about how parents should be teaching their kids about trans issues, when pushed to let us all know what they would actually teach their kid (in a specific example as well!) there has been nothing but radio silence.
I've been quoting the article for the last few pages.
Plenty of people responded to you.
I personally would say that the other parents "mummy" is still the same person that was her daddy, but he likes to pretend to be a mummy now. But to be nice, you should call him how he likes to be called.
No, that's not right. People don't have radio silence, they are saying clearly that young primary school children do not need to be educated on trans issues. There's a difference. I didnt and wouldnt educate a small child about trans issues, but I have no problem with a simple message that we are all different etc. and that we need to respect each other regardless.
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