I wonder how this will work out for him
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I wonder did the other staff know it was bring your Daddy to work day!
Amazing how quickly the “doctrine” just evaporates under very mild questioning.
If it is important to people, it is of use to them.
Of course it is a La carte, there are different faiths, and differing degrees of faith, pick one that suits you, or none, your choice.
Burke obviously has a strong faith and takes it literally, which is his right of course, the same as someone who has a strong catholic, Protestant, Muslim etc, faith is a personal matter and may differ from others. Where Burke fell foul was that he applied his beliefs to someone else and in doing so contravened the schools rules. He tried to force his beliefs on others, that is not right,
Like you, I think religion is mumbo jumbo, but I don’t try to apply that to others who have faith, find it useful and practise their faith. If you try and apply your belief or lack of it to others, you are no better than Burke, the difference is I suppose that he understands what he is doing.
I think as a society we would generally agree that trespassing in a school is wrong. Any adult who does so - repeatedly - deserves to be in jail.
For yelling in his bosses face to the point that people had to physically intervene.
What would happen if you did that in your job?
Time to impose monetary fines on him now.He doesn't care about jail time which is costing the state a fortune.Hit him where it hurts,in his pocket.
That's right you aren't a legal talk guy.
I've never denied that it is important to them. I am calling it for what it is. Faith based reasoning is pretty much what this thread is about with how Burke uses his faith to be a bigot. You seem to take an A La Carte approach in that if it good for some then it is ok, despite the rafts of examples of how a faith based approach just turns people into bigots and idiots.
Not really relevant to his suspension from school though. The previous poster's jist was that Burke was from a family of 'freaks' and that the WRC wouldn't entertain one of them because of his sister and mother's behaviour at previous hearings. Which is nonsense as every case has to be judged on its own merits.
But yep, his mammy did rear him and gave him a, lets call it a strong set of beliefs and opinions.
I’m no law talking guy, but I don’t think the imaginary letters of Boards re-reg trolls actually carry any weight in the Irish legal system.
Although admittedly, it couldn’t be any worse than some of the hare brained legal arguments he and his sister come up with.
That’s your opinion, but as I said, anyone with the IQ of a doorknob appreciates that it is important to some people, hence why they practise their faith.
He was suspended because of his misconduct. The matter of his issue with pronouns has not been the subject of any comment or sanction by the school or the courts.
Ok. Why was he suspended from his teaching job?
Open question for anyone to answer
Yes, you'd have to imagine it, because it never happened in this case.
And when he is removed from his position, will he be peacefully awaiting reemployment if he enters the school?
We don't know that he is perfectly safe and in full control, either.
Given the aggressive manner in which its been reported that he went after the Principal at a public event - to the point where other staff members felt they had to intervene and put themselves physically between him and her, we know he has a temper. If he does that in public, how far would he go in private?
So I wouldn't rule it out. Who knows where his snapping point is. Everyone has one.
His mammy reared him and instilled beliefs and opinions in him and her other children.
He said he has a right to his religious beliefs and is "simply waiting reinstatement" in his classroom.
Speaking to reporters this evening, Mr Burke said: "This is the school that I have taught in for four years and I have my first class Arts degree and I have my first class Masters in Education and I have got on very well in this school.
"I have a very good relationship with parents and students and just to say that what happened is preposterous.
"My students have won many prizes in debating and public speaking. They have brought great wealth to this school."
A great man.
He was suspended for his behaviour, nothing else. He was locked up for contempt for his behaviour, nothing else.
If you must know, I work for the HSE. It's quite difficult to get dismissed. I know people still in their jobs and they were disciplined for much much worse things than Burke did and they didn't lose their job. Ask anyone in the Public Service if they know people still in their jobs where they did worse things than Burke did at that function. I'd be fairly confident they'd know more people who weren't dismissed than were dismissed.
Burke pretty much shouted and harassed someone, possibly in a threatening manner but he didn't assault anyone or directly threaten anyone, i.e make direct threats, although I accept his behaviour may have been viewed as threatening. Might be harder than you think to dismiss him for that.
What he did after his suspension is another matter and would probably warrant a second disciplinary procedure.
It's called indoctrination. Faith based anything is based as it goes directly against evidence. That is what faith it, it is against, in spite of or without evidence. How that is seen as good is beyond me, just live in a made up fairytale that there is some wizard in the sky who works in mysterious ways, all the good things are on his terms and the bad stuff...ah that is just how it goes.
In Ireland, we have centuries of evidence of the damage religion, and in particular the Roman Catholic Church has done to society. Most of it done to those who put their own faith into that church.
Faith only deserves to be treat with utter ridicule. It goes directly against what is observable in the world.
You call it useful, I call it stupid.
Most likely, based on the families previous outings at the WRC, the hearing will have to be abandoned due to shouting from the sideline spectators
You are getting carried away. You need to leave your emotion aside and look at this objectively.
You're now throwning in the actions of his mammy and sister into the mix. They have nothing to do with Enoch Burke's suspension etc.
Chasing a female around a room to the point where people had to step in and stop him is violent behaviour.
His continued violent outbursts in court, claiming all sorts of crimes against several Judges.
He has clearly proven he is erratic with a violent temper.
Just one short comment on your post above.
Your first sentence clearly relates to Burke. Where has he shown a history of violent behaviour?
Imagine bring sent to jail over pronouns and imagine being suspended from tour career and having the national media covering the story......over pronouns
He should be supported and commended for not bowing to absolute ridiculousness.
Il be writing another letter of support anyway
His protest or his religious beliefs have nothing to do with it.
He was suspended on full pay for aggressively chasing his boss around to the point people had to step in and protect her, and in line with WRC guidelines and the rules of school which he signed up to, a disciplinary process was started. The school has not missed a beat in that process.
It is him and him alone through his actions that has prevented that process from evolving, something which continues to do.
He will be fired for his actions after the suspension and he will most certainly take a case to the WRC.
Like I posted earlier, he will probably be arrested at the WRC. 😂
I have no idea who you work for, but if you pulled all those stunts with your current employer, you'd be fired, please don't insult anyones intelligence by claiming you wouldn't. Everyone would.
Tusla has no roll in the investigation of child protection issues in schools and will not investigate. Their official stance is that D/Education is responsible and any complaints are handled via education sector processes.
Can you distinguish between the benefit people derive from faith, and what some do in the name of religion?
Surely in Ireland of all places, even someone with the IQ of a doorknob would understand that to some people, their faith is useful, why do you think so many still go to their place of worship?
I’m not religious, but I still acknowledge that for some, their faith is very important without making them do things that you disagree with.
You have to deal with his original suspension first. He was suspended for a certain action, namely shouting at the principal. It may or may not have been in a threatening manner, that end of it is pretty subjective. I've heard no reports that he threatened the principal or used bad language towards her, although I fully accept the principal may have felt threatened.
Actions after he had been suspended can't be dealt with until the first issue is sorted out. They are a different matter and certainly warrant a second disciplinary procedure if he isn't sacked for the first one.
It's not totally impossible that Burke will win his appeal regarding the suspension although the odds are stacked against him. If the school failed to dot every single 'i' and cross every single 't', the suspension could be found to be unfair/illegal. And even if Burke doesn't get the suspension deemed unfair/illegal, there's no guarantee that shouting at his boss would warrant dismissal. Tis hard enough to sack teachers here. I work in the Public Service and there's absolutely no way I'd be fired for shouting at my boss at a function like Burke did. I'd argue that it was a legitimate protest over this, that and the other. I'd possibly be disciplined, maybe a warning or get sent to 'Craggy Island' but not a chance I'd be fired.
And unless you are a WRC officer and have all of the facts in front of you and heard all the witnesses, you can't be sure what way they would rule.
And after all that, I still think Burke is a woeful gobshyte.
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