This guys in the news quite a lot recently.
This seems a bit too far. Is primary a bit too young for this ideology? Certainly “endocrine supports” for young kids seems a bit scary as the changes can be irreversible.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/transgender-issues-should-be-part-of-primary-curriculum-says-childrens-minister-roderic-ogorman-42256827.html
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By some parents, as it's not in the hands of school, I would assume so, judging by this thread.
So you think that the state should intervene and teach children the "acceptable" mantra?
Jesus
No, you assume that if someone is teaching a child something YOU find unacceptable, the state should intervene.
Yet you argue that people shouldn't argue against the state for teaching something THEY find inappropriate.
Can you not see the double standard?
This is such a bad faith post.
"read this thread to see how people feel about trans people"
Ive not seen a single post from anyone posting anything offensive or derogatory about trans individuals.
Exactly. Accept everything, question nothing or else you are a bigot.
Young kids can and should be taught that all families are ok, but why should they be taught that someone's parent is a transwoman? As in why should this transwoman parent be singled out at all for explanation. Can they not just accept her as a parent without going into the details of her past history?
To be fair, the role of faith formation has been offloaded to the state for long enough.
So, put yourselves in my position.
Your 7 year old comes home, tells you there's a new kid in class, but he has 2 mammies and he's heard that one of the mammies was his daddy and is very confused. What do you teach him about that family?
Gender studies class: Hey kids, we are going to single out this person...they used to be a man....now they live as a woman.. see???.....see how different they aren't!?
Now class, take out your biology books....
It’s your child. You teach him about family and leave other peoples kids alone.
You take on your parental responsibility to educate your child on the issue in the manner you believe to be in their best interest.
You don't go and outsource the solution " go ask the teacher".
Well, I know what I'm teaching my kid (because I already had to!) But, there's so many posters here saying, "Leave it to the parents", and that apparently no one has had a problem with trans people on this thread, so I'm asking all you trans critics, what are you telling your kids in this case? I think it's a fair question to answer.
A 7 year old?
What understanding do 7 year olds have about gender, sexuality or any of that stuff beyond the most rudimentary levels?
I'd simply tell them that some people are different and that some families are different. Alot of families have a mammy and daddy but some only have a mammy or a daddy, some have two mammies, some have two daddies. There is nothing wrong with this child or their parents and that they should be respected.
As they get older, go through puberty etc then more indepth discussions will likely be appropriate but for pre-pubescent kids imo they are very accepting of basic explanations. That goes back to my initial post that the message should be that every single human being, regardless of colour, creed, or any other difference should be treated with kindness and respect.
Yes, it is a hugely complex issue isn't it? Not one I'd leave for a junior infants teacher, especially if the 7 year old was confused. To be honest, I don't know how I would explain it, at least not without putting a lot of thought and research into it. What does the child of the trans mother say in school? What does the transmother say, and how would she like it to be explained? Have you met the trans woman? Have they asked the school for any guidance?
Again with the inflammatory rhetoric "trans critics". As stated, Ive not seen anyone critisicing trans individuals so please stop posting like this thread is some kind of free for all trans bashing exercise.
Keep your nose out of what other people are telling their kids and stop trying to control them.
You tried to peddle ‘gender is a social construct’ and ‘there are three sexes’ off as fact earlier. Your ideology should never be allowed near the curriculum.
Why do you think kids would assume that its not ok and need to be taught otherwise?
Actually, tell us what you did say.
That would be more enlightening.
No we don't.
So not one poster has an example of something that is taught or being suggested be taught in schools that they are opposed to?
No, no one?
They are 7. They dont need a detailed explanation of the issue (frankly because one isnt available, let alone one that a child could understand)
Whats wrong with "they prefer to live like a woman than a man"?
Why does it need to be any more than this? How deep a conversation would you get into about Pedophilia or Santa Claus or Russian invasion of Ukraine with your seven year old?
The only thing I would advocating teaching kids in school is that its totally normal to feel different and that you don't need a new label or to undergo any medical procedures because of it.
They're friends of our family, and they're absolutely lovely. I would prefer to leave it up to the school myself, as I don't trust all parents to be fair and reasonable. There's a lot of hate towards trans individuals out there unfortunately, and people may be prone to passing that down to children.
For what it's worth, we just told a basic truth (and obviously a lie with it, the kid is young!), that X's mammy was once X's daddy, and one day he fell asleep and woke up as a mummy, and they've been happy ever since. And that was pretty much that, the kid went back to playing with her toys.
Why did we tell her? Because there's photos of X as a baby with her dad in their home and my kid asked where was X's daddy. (Yes, we asked the family before telling her)
When the kid gets older, they can get more information that's age appropriate.
It's not easy, and I do worry for X in school as they get older as we all fear some bullying will occur, so to us it's great if they start accepting trans people as not something to be scared of in school.
I have posted the quoted statement once in this thread. So when you say repeating you mean posting right?
So what is your biggest issue with the curriculum in gender identity something specific come on don't be afraid.
Should sex education be taught to children in school?
So there you have it. You don't trust parents to be the primary educators of their own children. I presume though you trust yourself - you couldn't be wrong.
I think that's a fundamental difference you'll have with the vast majority of parents. You'll find it hard to find many that don't trust themselves to educate their children on matters of morality, acceptance and tolerance.
It's telling that you wouldn't answer the, "What would you do?" question. Do you trust all parents to teach tolerance?
Transgender issues is nothing to do with sex education. Sex education is biology.
You don’t get to decide which parents to trust with their own children.
bla bla bla bla. I didn't ask that question thanks though.
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=is+sex+education+biology
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