This guys in the news quite a lot recently.
This seems a bit too far. Is primary a bit too young for this ideology? Certainly “endocrine supports” for young kids seems a bit scary as the changes can be irreversible.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/transgender-issues-should-be-part-of-primary-curriculum-says-childrens-minister-roderic-ogorman-42256827.html
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Who is talking about teaching five-year-old children this?
More stupid hyperbole that has zero basis in reality.
Children learn sex education from age 11. What's wrong with implementing homosexuality and transgender issues into that?
The whole 'let kids be kids' bollocks really is grating. If we're letting them be 'kids' then why are we, for the most part, entrenching them with the beliefs of a religious organisation that is truly abhorrent in its values?
The fashionable cause du jour of the first world yet again.
It’s about political indoctrination, kids are very susceptible to propaganda, that’s why religious teaching always took place in schools ( my wife and I tell our kids that not everyone believes in God as we don’t and yes they heard about God in school as we never mentioned God to them ) , the trans lobby are an increasingly powerful wing of the progressive movement and obviously teaching kids about “transgenderism “ is a clever tactic to gain life long believers
I cannot possibly! You should not believe some shmuck from an internet forum. I find it prudent to let professionals educate me. For example, you can read the views of a recognised psychologist here
Who actually benefits from a 5 year knowing about this.
I'm in my 30s and I have only even known one transgender person, when I say know, I have never had a conversation with the person.
How many primary school kids are going to encounter transgender people?
What exactly is the argument for kids learning about something they may never encounter.
Why exactly should they be told about this.
I can understand if in a school there is a transgender person than it can be explained on that basis.
But I have no idea what benefit kids get out of this on a national level.
It seems like a small minority of adults who want kids to be informed about them.
School is a place where kids learn and grow.
Teaching them this has no place in schools, it does not benefit them.
How would you know? Oh and yes they do. It has been proven that a Trans persons brain is not like others of there labelled gender and that is why they are different. It all depends on how the person is raised to do.
I like how many of the same posters often up in arms about how trans issues are a huge issue all across society are suddenly convinced there's no need to introduce it in schools as it's a marginal issue that affects on a tiny fraction of the population.
Outrage? This is an online message board. Not sure how you can pick up "Outrage" from someones text on it, but I amn't outraged.
Your definition of "outrage" needs some serious tweaking.
I am a concerned parent. Concerned to hear that this type of thing may be brought into the minds of kids as young as four. Kids who would not even bat an eyelid (at that age) at any individual. Kids are the MOST accepting of all age groups.
Granted, the devil is in the detail here and it'll probably end up like religion for most teachers (in that it's on the curriculum but it's a very minor part of what is actually taught) IF some time is afforded to it on the curriculum but it shouldn't be aimed at kids under 11 in my opinion.
If my 4 year old kid has questions of this nature, I'd prefer to field them and I'd prefer to use the "real" world as a learning opportunity.
If it does end up on the curriculum I will be interested to know the detail as any parent would, as it would enevitibily end up in homework and in additional questions.
Some questions which to be honest, grown adults, who are "experts" in their field can't actually agree on, particularity when it comes to transgender participation in sports.
My point was that if it had been part of the curriculum when you grew up, you would see that it isn't a big deal today
Not necessarily true astro, certainly not in Ireland anyway. There’s plenty of precedent for other topics which were taught in school thirty years ago that cause far more division in Irish society among adults today because to them it IS still such a big deal, that as adults they campaign to remove it from Irish schools entirely or, as in this case, they want it IN schools, regardless of the characteristic spirit of the school, in the form of what they’re calling the Provision of Objective Sex Education Bill -
Bill entitled an Act to guarantee the right of students to receive factual and objective relationships and sexuality education without regard to the characteristic spirit of the school
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/34/
Label it all the Hell you want Anna, you can label it 'scataboutery' 'whataboutery' whatever the Hell else you want to, if you don't have children and aren't responsible for their ultimate wellbeing and development within actual society and civilization, your just as demeaned to the label of 'whataboutery' also, because you have literally no single clue what you are trying to defend and align yourself to.
Of course its whataboutery - you cant really call "whatabout this and whatabout that" much else.
Have you got kids? Its not your 'whataboutery' or whatever else you want to demon trend-label when you actually care what your children are being taught by the same state you pay much much money into supposedly running.
Let kids be kids and keep this stuff out of Primary schools. Time enough with that later.
You must be reading a different thread.
Whatabout whataboutery.
More what about a man marrying his horse drivel 🤣
Trans people are real
Please, educate me on my confusion.
I am, unless you wish to go back to home-schooling and/or removing lots of other parts of the curriculum which used to be left to parents. You can of course ask for your kids to be excluded during such lessons as they allow for other topics. My point was that if it had been part of the curriculum when you grew up, you would see that it isn't a big deal today and you are putting yourself in the category of outraged parents which is going to continue causing issues as curriculum evolve, but that will be your burden to bear and be outraged about, which is fine, the world will move on regardless.
I think your confusion about gender makes an excellent point. We need more education on these topics, for children and adults alike.
Chromosomes are a "stereotype" now? What's the liver? Some make of dense granite?
Buddhists would have a debate with you on this!
There is no current problem with kids not accepting the various genders out there. That is ultimately the crux of this.
As a parent I would greatly prefer to control when and what my kids get exposed to in relation to how they treat and accept other people.
Also, why do you use the term 'sealioning'?
I don't think either person you've referenced has suggested that transgendered people don't exist......
Here Here well said
What if your reality is a set of preconceived stereotypes?
And in this instance, what does Roderic have to do with the Department of Education, or the National Council for Curriculum and Assessment?
Reality is not a belief.
At least you’re honest about your beliefs, Dyr. I can respect that.
Yeah, men cannot become women and women cannot become men. Lets keep the fairytales we tell kids restricted to religion.
