This guys in the news quite a lot recently.
This seems a bit too far. Is primary a bit too young for this ideology? Certainly “endocrine supports” for young kids seems a bit scary as the changes can be irreversible.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/transgender-issues-should-be-part-of-primary-curriculum-says-childrens-minister-roderic-ogorman-42256827.html
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Seeing as the topic is being discussed at the highest level of our Government it is incumbent on adults to educate themselves on the issue.
I recommend you follow Libs of Tik Tok, a good place to witness the kinds of ideology being taught in US schools, possible here soon.
Find a Pediatrician (online or in person) who can explain the process, the types of drugs involved, the implications on the person over the long term.
Educate yourself on the cost of gender transition and the life long related costs for the individual.
Ask yourself, can our Health system handle the coming surge in demand for gender related surgeries, we will be witnessing the removal of genitals in unprecedented numbers in the coming years? Can the taxpayer afford to fund it?
Ask yourself, seeing as we are already struggling with a mental health crisis in our young, will this relieve or add to it?
When you make up your own mind, whatever that is, do not allow yourself to be bullied or harassed by people feigning compassion who will use emotive and insulting language in an attempt to undermine your view.
"upend everything"
what on earth are you talking about?
You seem to believe in Schrödinger's Transsexual: They simultaneously barely exist at all, yet they are the single most dangerous thing to face society.
So we need to upend everything so less than 0.01% of the population doesn’t feel marginalised?
Ironically, those most put out by this are those who would have benefited most from it as kids.
Course they arent
Seems like a bit of over reach.
By all means provide spaces for people to go and engage and learn about these topics but have the people go to those events and opt in if they choose, but why its deemed the purview of schools is a bit strange to me.
It's fascinating to see people think that anyone is going to fall for the "this isn't a big deal" line having seen that tactic to try normalise the degeneracy that is being taught in schools other parts of the world. Ordinary people are wising up to what's being pushed on their kids by creepy fuckers.
Oh here we go again.
Heard it all before with "what if someone wants to marry their horse" i.e. ridiculous crazy drivel that has nothing to do with anything being discussed.
Those are settled arguments, very little surrounding “ gender identity “ is settled, their are no experts surrounding the whole “ trans “ issue, just ideologues
the person involved in the current court case is a religious fundamentalist, as are his parents and all of his siblings, i doubt an afternoon crash course in primary school would have changed much for him.
It really is all that simple.
It's fascinating how this issue seems to engender instant, volcanic outrage in some people. It's not like this is even a concrete policy proposal yet, let alone an imminent change to the primary curriculum. The minister offers an opinion in an interview. There's not much to go on on what even he thinks is level of information that should be imparted and yet people are up in arms.
It's almost like people want there to be a conspiracy to brainwash their kids in order to have something to be cross about.
The proposal is for primary school, so aged 4+
not all kids go to pre school, hopefully the teachers in te pre schools are educated to be able to handle it and the parents don’t make a scene when they do.
i think at some point in primary school the topic should be addressed,
the current court case illustrates how important it is to educate people to a certain basic level in matter such as this. A basic respect and awareness in his formative years might have helped avoid a messy situation. (possibly not I agree he’s a bit extreme)
and it’s not countless hours, hours can be counted. It won’t be very many. Currently many primary schools spend many hours teaching about a deity and his followers. Other schools teach about different deities. There’s scope to flex that a wee bit I’m sure. 30 minutes in each year is only 4 hours overall, although I’d think about 2-3 hours a year would be better for the puberty age kids as they tend to like talking
Well thank goodness for that. Look at the end of the day a person can live what ever way they want they can knock themselves out a d to I hope they are happy. I'd never want to hurt a person's feelings or be mean regardless of how they identify . I don't believe the issue should be covered in schools. What are the positives that will come from teaching it to impressionable children?
Noone is doing any of that 🤣
No, the State's schools provide education in areas where parents are happy for assistance to occur, as parents are the primary educators. The State has only ever had a supporting role in education.
It's the parents responsibility to teach about gender identity. Always has been and no compelling argument has been put forward as to why that needs to change.
I trust parents, do you?
These proposals are deeply radical so naturally I’m alerted to the fact that major changes might well happen to the curriculum
Where do we draw the line. Irish teenagers are now identifying as furrys
Huh? Where and whom?
Exactly. Thats all this is really.
Again, equating furrys with transgender people is absurd. Furrys don't actually believe they're animals. I hope you didn't swallow that ridiculous story about litter boxes in classrooms, did you?
My now five year old, spent two years in pre-school. The first year there was a person who identified as male in the group with them, the second year the kid had begun wearing female clothes and prefered to be called a different name.
She didn't blink an eyelid at any of this but halfway though the second year (she was 4 and a bit) she mentioned how nice that persons dress was that day which sparked a conversation.
Do you suggest age appropriate teaching at 3? Would age appropriate teaching have changed anything in those two years for my daughter or indeed the other kid?
One of my young sons has a class made with two dads. It's come up as he has gotten older and it's something we've discussed as he has realised that family make is in the minority. I dont see the issue of me having those discussions with my kids when I deem it appropriate.
(names/terms used to protect identities etc)
If you want to suggest that the actions of one, particularily cantancourous person, justifies spending countless person house teaching young kids about gender, you are certainly on the wrong path btw.
People get educated in various areas - doesn't stop them from doing wrong/bad/stupid things.
Perfect for JI
maybe a bit more for those hitting puberty, they’ll have more questions.
Where do we draw the line. Irish teenagers are now identifying as furrys. Actual people who believe they are a cat or a dog. Where will it all end?
Teaching cannot exist without an underlying philosophy or agenda.
Even if one confines teaching to supposed 'facts', the selection of which facts to teach is in itself an ideological decision.
the basics of gender identity are well covered, what we are talking about here is something to a tiny minority of people identify as.
A paragraph that we’re all different and be nice to each other should suffice 😂
Do you think the same thing about the big bang, or the earth being round, or the holocaust?
The education system should provide all children with a rounded, and grounded, education. That includes the basics of gender identity as much as it does many, many, many other factual topics.
You sound like the kind of parent who looked forward to the day you could share your progressive politics with your children, as such , they didn’t need to learn such things in school
teaching kids about “ refugees “ is politically motivated and politics has no place in primary school curriculum
Do you comment on other aspects the school curriculum?
Or is this topic special?
just curious.
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