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Roderic O’G: Transgender issues added to primary curriculum

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    you are talking nonsense yourself - presumably you don't teach scientific methodology to your own kids (if you have any) on each and every subject, when they are/were 8.

    it's a useful way to explain trangenderism, although I note from your signature and posting history that it is absolutely pointless engaging any further on this issue with you, so I'll bid you adieu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Parents are the primary educators of their children. As such, if parents believe that their children should be educated about these things then it is up to them to do it. The State has no role here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    We're not talking about 'in depth discussion' though. As I said - no philosophy or agendas nessecary, just the basicis, quickly and efficiently.

    I'm no idea what forums you're talking about, so can't comment further, but it you want to make a direct connection between such and pre-teen mental health, then please state so and present the evidence you're basing it on.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    presumably this goes for religion too? what about Maths? Languages? Science?

    or is it just specifically transgender issues? What about other things like sexual orientation?

    What is your line?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Dslatt


    Tumblr was a cesspit for pro anorexia and bulimia pages, affectionately dubbed Anna and Mia, thats what the poster is referencing I'd say. As for the rest of it, yep scaremongering nonsense



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Whataboutery.

    The State has no role in teaching on this issue. Go open another thread if you want to have a general debate on homeschooling, and the role of the State in education.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭AnnieinDundrum


    What do you mean? Girls brain?

    i hope you aren’t a science teacher!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    you brought it up, but you are now refusing to engage in good faith. Standard tactic.

    Explain why the state should not be teaching about this issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Never been on Tumblr - but if this IS what the poster was referring to, it actually strengthens my point: it's better for kids to find out about these issues in an informed and controlled classroom setting, not a social media 'cesspit'.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    He’s the Minister for Children, course he’s gonna have an opinion on educating children about what it means to be transgender and diversity and all the rest of it.

    It doesn’t mean that it’s ever actually going to be on the curriculum, it just means that in Roderic’s opinion it should be. That’s very different from trying to have children taught about it in 90% of schools in Ireland.

    I wouldn’t be the least bit concerned tbh, Roderic says a lot 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    sure, teach them about in school, but not in any great detail (as you recommend yourself) and send them home to look it up online....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Kids are "exposed" to heterosexuality and cisgender identity from birth, and we obviously don't have any problem with it. They're just as normal and natural as homosexuality and transgender identity. The idea that all these kids are somehow going to become warped and confused by simply learning about transgender people is as absurd as thinking that you can turn kids gay just by teaching them about other people being gay.

    Loads of transgender and gay people say that they first knew they where who they were at a very young age - before they had the experience or vocabulary to express it, before they were "exposed" to it - in the exact same way that most hetro and cis kids know that they are who they are at a very young age. The only thing this will lead to is a small minority of kids being able to accept and understand who they already are themselves. and most kids being able to better accept other people for who they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It is for parents to decide when their children are mature enough to learn about these things.

    The real question is why should the State start interfering in this area of parental competence. It is proposing the change so it needs to justify it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Not sure what you're saying here, but I notice you stiill haven't explained your concerns or specifcied what forums you're talking of - just more (albeit thinly veiled this time) scaremongering.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,036 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Thats fine and well however, I don't really see the need to even explain that to them.

    This thing about "acceptance" is pure nonsense. Kids aren't taught NOT to accept homosexuals, indeed kids that young (2nd classis fairly young I'd argue) tend not to even notice those things or make a big deal of them, in the same way that they don't notice colour or ethnic background.

    I don't know how "highlighting" the differences in people (from the perceived "Norm") actually helps kids to accept anything.

    Indeed kids are the most accepting by default and to a fault at points.


    As for the transgenderism explaination - I think you leave yourself open to a hell of a lot of questions if thats how you explain it to a 2nd class kid.


    I've no doubt kids nowadays are more clued in on these things however I don't particularily want a spotlight put on these things from a young age when there is absolutely no need for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I'm not here to help your comprehension nor am i going to trawl the dark web for pro suicide or eating disorder websites to prove a point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Right so you've never actually researched it and you don't know what's happening, so you've simply assume it exists and that 11-12 year old kid are going on the dark web to find out more about suicides in order to find out how to fo do it ad so we shouldn't teach traqnsgender in schools.

    Blantant scaremonering, hyperexaggeration and ignorance proven, leaving you here. Good day.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    do a little research yourself, there is loads of it out there, as i said im not here to educate you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The whole of society is set up to "accept" heterosexuality and cisgender identity. Those things are seen as "normal" by default, so they don't even have to be discussed, because they're are exemplified everywhere. You're talking about not wanting a spotlight to be shone on one area of gender identity, when the entirety of daylight is constantly shone on another part of it - so much so that you don't even realise it.

    This idea that we're somehow protecting children from gender identity by not talking about it is absurd. We're already constantly exposing children to gender identity, and have been since time immemorial.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Telling kids that they can become a woman or a man by clicking their fingers is complete fantasy and has no place in education.

    Just the weirdos turning schools into indoctrination camps. No suprise that the Thatchell fan boy is the one pushing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Maybe your transphobia can't be helped at this stage, but luckily the coming generations stand a much better chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,036 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Children don't need to be "protected" from gender identity in the first instance. It's literally NOT A PROBLEM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Agree - just as well that's not what's being proposed!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    And why would society be set up to see heterosexuality and cisgender identity as normal? The definition of normal is conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭mohawk


    It depends on what is taught whether or not this is a negative or positive.

    For example teaching kids what gender dysphoria is would be no big deal. It exists and those affected should have equal rights and not be harassed or bullied.

    However, telling children that they all have a gender identity is not teaching facts it’s teaching ideology.

    I don’t think kids should be reinforced into believing in gender roles aka girls like pink and glitter and boys like blue and sports. I think it’s better to tell kids the only person they can be is themselves and that is a great thing.

    I have spoken to my eldest about sex, gender and sexuality at different stages. I overheard his friends say ‘that is so gay’ so we had to address that so he doesn’t say it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    And homosexual and transgender people are to be expected - because they're normal too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Well there you go. Let them learn about the full spectrum of gender identity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,036 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Why want your 2nd class child to learn about spectrums of gender identities?

    They accept all by default.


    I have and I will discuss these things with my kids when I chose to. I'd prefer it were left to me to make the decision on what age is appropriate and in what situations these conversations should take place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Transgender identity is clearly different from homosexuality and heterosexuality. The idea the you are of one sex and attracted to another specifically by the characteristics of that sex.

    As well as the idea that sex/gender can be a state of mind, there’s a whole huge spectrum of diversity of views/behaviours within the tiny minority of people who identify as transgender.

    Post edited by donaghs on


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