This guys in the news quite a lot recently.
This seems a bit too far. Is primary a bit too young for this ideology? Certainly “endocrine supports” for young kids seems a bit scary as the changes can be irreversible.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/transgender-issues-should-be-part-of-primary-curriculum-says-childrens-minister-roderic-ogorman-42256827.html
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Unless you are with your child 24/7 you don’t know when it might be relevant.
what if the child in the seat next to them in school comes in wearing a dress and wants to be called a girls name? You won’t be there in the classroom that day to ‘deal’ with the questions.
much better if it’s been covered in an age appropriate manner well in advance,
I think a certain teacher in the news again today needed some education before it became relevant for him as he clearly wasn’t up to speed in time.
I mean we will do everything we can to protest at local level , that won’t include book burning
Why wouldn't society be set up to accept 95% of the population? It's not like some kind of decision was made where people elected to accept heterosexuality, it is normal by any reasonable definition of the word. Also the reason we're somehow protecting children from "gender identity" is because even a cursory glance at some of the crazed activist types who have made their way into the teaching profession in the USA for example, along with the 155% increase in children identifying as transgender also in the USA, means that parents have very good reasons to be incredibly wary of how this information is being conveyed and who is conveying with, along with their motivations.
So why don't you teach your children about it and let the parents of the other children teach their children about it.
I would never equate child abuse with any person's sexual orientation thanks very much
Kids accepting people isn't a problem, it's never been a problem. Kids don't notice colour/ethnicity/gender by default.
Why spend valuable time in a classroom environment trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist?
And again, as a parent, I'd prefer to deal with these types of things if and when they become relevant to my child.
You're going around in circles saying it's not a problem on one hand but it definitely shouldn't be discussed on the other. You're not making any sense.
That business of equating transgenderism with thinking that one is an animal or an inanimate object is as absurd as equating homosexuality with paedophilia or bestiality. They're completely and utterly different things.
If it's not a problem, why spend any time on it?
I'd prefer to make the decisions around what ages and when I'd have those conversations with my kids to be frank. There's absolutely no need for it to be taught to young kids.
Because not everybody is on board with the trans fad. Fair enough if an adult believes they were born the wrong sex away with them and the best of luck. However why should it be taught in schools It should be kept out of schools any more so than uncle Ivor thinks he is a sea urchin so he is.
As for the transgenderism explaination - I think you leave yourself open to a hell of a lot of questions if thats how you explain it to a 2nd class kid.
A friends kid came out as transgender when our youngest was in the second half of 2nd class. My child asked why we were now calling "Mary" "Michael". I said "Mary felt that she really felt like more of a boy, and wanted to be treated as a boy and called Michael". My child's response was "ok".
Follow up question about 6 months later - "I wear a lot of boys clothes and like some of the same stuff they boys do, does that mean I have to be a boy" "No. Do you feel like a boy?" "No, I'm a girl". Conversation and topic ended, other than her occasionally correcting me when I accidentally use the wrong pronoun for a friend of her older sister.
I'm lucky that I have a fairly easy relationship with my kids where they will ask questions on stuff, but I'd like to think if the same thing had happened in school, the teacher would have been able to handle it in a similar way.
Because like you said, it's literally not a problem. It's a simple fact of life, and nothing to be worried about. We already teach them about cis gender identify all the time already, in hundreds of different ways - this is just being complete.
Given the number of transgender people in ireland numbers in the single digit thousands i disagree that its typical or usual.
Transgender identity is clearly different from homosexuality and heterosexuality. The idea the you are of one sex and attracted to another specifically by the characteristics of that sex.
As well as the idea that sex/gender can be a state of mind, there’s a whole huge spectrum of diversity of views/behaviours within the tiny minority of people who identify as transgender.
Why want your 2nd class child to learn about spectrums of gender identities?
They accept all by default.
I have and I will discuss these things with my kids when I chose to. I'd prefer it were left to me to make the decision on what age is appropriate and in what situations these conversations should take place.
Well there you go. Let them learn about the full spectrum of gender identity.
And homosexual and transgender people are to be expected - because they're normal too.
It depends on what is taught whether or not this is a negative or positive.
For example teaching kids what gender dysphoria is would be no big deal. It exists and those affected should have equal rights and not be harassed or bullied.
However, telling children that they all have a gender identity is not teaching facts it’s teaching ideology.
I don’t think kids should be reinforced into believing in gender roles aka girls like pink and glitter and boys like blue and sports. I think it’s better to tell kids the only person they can be is themselves and that is a great thing.
I have spoken to my eldest about sex, gender and sexuality at different stages. I overheard his friends say ‘that is so gay’ so we had to address that so he doesn’t say it.
And why would society be set up to see heterosexuality and cisgender identity as normal? The definition of normal is conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.
Agree - just as well that's not what's being proposed!
Children don't need to be "protected" from gender identity in the first instance. It's literally NOT A PROBLEM.
Maybe your transphobia can't be helped at this stage, but luckily the coming generations stand a much better chance.
Telling kids that they can become a woman or a man by clicking their fingers is complete fantasy and has no place in education.
Just the weirdos turning schools into indoctrination camps. No suprise that the Thatchell fan boy is the one pushing it.
The whole of society is set up to "accept" heterosexuality and cisgender identity. Those things are seen as "normal" by default, so they don't even have to be discussed, because they're are exemplified everywhere. You're talking about not wanting a spotlight to be shone on one area of gender identity, when the entirety of daylight is constantly shone on another part of it - so much so that you don't even realise it.
This idea that we're somehow protecting children from gender identity by not talking about it is absurd. We're already constantly exposing children to gender identity, and have been since time immemorial.
do a little research yourself, there is loads of it out there, as i said im not here to educate you.
Right so you've never actually researched it and you don't know what's happening, so you've simply assume it exists and that 11-12 year old kid are going on the dark web to find out more about suicides in order to find out how to fo do it ad so we shouldn't teach traqnsgender in schools.
Blantant scaremonering, hyperexaggeration and ignorance proven, leaving you here. Good day.
I'm not here to help your comprehension nor am i going to trawl the dark web for pro suicide or eating disorder websites to prove a point.
Thats fine and well however, I don't really see the need to even explain that to them.
This thing about "acceptance" is pure nonsense. Kids aren't taught NOT to accept homosexuals, indeed kids that young (2nd classis fairly young I'd argue) tend not to even notice those things or make a big deal of them, in the same way that they don't notice colour or ethnic background.
I don't know how "highlighting" the differences in people (from the perceived "Norm") actually helps kids to accept anything.
Indeed kids are the most accepting by default and to a fault at points.
I've no doubt kids nowadays are more clued in on these things however I don't particularily want a spotlight put on these things from a young age when there is absolutely no need for it.
Not sure what you're saying here, but I notice you stiill haven't explained your concerns or specifcied what forums you're talking of - just more (albeit thinly veiled this time) scaremongering.
It is for parents to decide when their children are mature enough to learn about these things.
The real question is why should the State start interfering in this area of parental competence. It is proposing the change so it needs to justify it.
