This guys in the news quite a lot recently.
This seems a bit too far. Is primary a bit too young for this ideology? Certainly “endocrine supports” for young kids seems a bit scary as the changes can be irreversible.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/transgender-issues-should-be-part-of-primary-curriculum-says-childrens-minister-roderic-ogorman-42256827.html
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Kids are "exposed" to heterosexuality and cisgender identity from birth, and we obviously don't have any problem with it. They're just as normal and natural as homosexuality and transgender identity. The idea that all these kids are somehow going to become warped and confused by simply learning about transgender people is as absurd as thinking that you can turn kids gay just by teaching them about other people being gay.
Loads of transgender and gay people say that they first knew they where who they were at a very young age - before they had the experience or vocabulary to express it, before they were "exposed" to it - in the exact same way that most hetro and cis kids know that they are who they are at a very young age. The only thing this will lead to is a small minority of kids being able to accept and understand who they already are themselves. and most kids being able to better accept other people for who they are.
sure, teach them about in school, but not in any great detail (as you recommend yourself) and send them home to look it up online....
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He’s the Minister for Children, course he’s gonna have an opinion on educating children about what it means to be transgender and diversity and all the rest of it.
It doesn’t mean that it’s ever actually going to be on the curriculum, it just means that in Roderic’s opinion it should be. That’s very different from trying to have children taught about it in 90% of schools in Ireland.
I wouldn’t be the least bit concerned tbh, Roderic says a lot 😂
Never been on Tumblr - but if this IS what the poster was referring to, it actually strengthens my point: it's better for kids to find out about these issues in an informed and controlled classroom setting, not a social media 'cesspit'.
you brought it up, but you are now refusing to engage in good faith. Standard tactic.
Explain why the state should not be teaching about this issue.
What do you mean? Girls brain?
i hope you aren’t a science teacher!
Whataboutery.
The State has no role in teaching on this issue. Go open another thread if you want to have a general debate on homeschooling, and the role of the State in education.
Tumblr was a cesspit for pro anorexia and bulimia pages, affectionately dubbed Anna and Mia, thats what the poster is referencing I'd say. As for the rest of it, yep scaremongering nonsense
presumably this goes for religion too? what about Maths? Languages? Science?
or is it just specifically transgender issues? What about other things like sexual orientation?
What is your line?
We're not talking about 'in depth discussion' though. As I said - no philosophy or agendas nessecary, just the basicis, quickly and efficiently.
I'm no idea what forums you're talking about, so can't comment further, but it you want to make a direct connection between such and pre-teen mental health, then please state so and present the evidence you're basing it on.
Parents are the primary educators of their children. As such, if parents believe that their children should be educated about these things then it is up to them to do it. The State has no role here.
you are talking nonsense yourself - presumably you don't teach scientific methodology to your own kids (if you have any) on each and every subject, when they are/were 8.
it's a useful way to explain trangenderism, although I note from your signature and posting history that it is absolutely pointless engaging any further on this issue with you, so I'll bid you adieu.
exactly what happens in my child's class at the moment, and at home too.
why?
what do you mean by scene? Burn books where a mummy becomes a daddy? How will that benefit society?
what, specific, harm?
they dont have a girl's brain, why would you teach them nonsense which is not science
It all depends on how it's addressed in the classroom.
Just as there's nothing wrong with highlighting that different religions exist as long as pressing any particular religion on the kids is avoided, I think there's nothing wrong with just highlighting that different sexual preferences and identities exist.
On the net, social media, on TV and now in schools, a 5 year old kid does not need to be exposed to these ideas, it cant do them any good and only harm
at least one person on this thread as said they will be making a scene, so that question is probably best directed at them
Given the tiny tiny percentage of people involved in such scenarios, I think most people can cross that bridge when they come to it. The parents will know the other parents and can have the chat with their kids.
depending on the age of the kid they probably won't notice, if they are old enough to notice you can explain it to them. Why would anyone need to make a scene?
Incessantly?
and why are you linking suicide with teaching about gender?
nah, the easy way to explain to a child about hetero v homosexuality is
some men/women "want to marry" men, some men/women "want to marry" women, or "want a girlfriend" - there's no need to bring the sexual act into it really, not until a later time.
The way to explain transgenderism is really easy too, some people who, when they are born, look like boys might have a girls brain and want to dress or do the things girls do, or live as if they were a girl, and that's ok.
from there you can get into intricacies as they get older.
The real lesson at that age is one of acceptance, not necessarily a full understanding.
i don't think it's scaremongering bullshit, young kids are impressionable, i certainly wouldn't want any in depth discussion on suicide in school, just because it didn't impact you doesn't mean it won't impact someone else.
why do all these forums that glorify eating disorders and suicidal thoughts stay in existence?
So do you wait until there’s a kid with 2 daddies or a kid with 2 mummies before you mention homosexuality? And how does that work?
and if your kid goes on a play date to a house with 2 daddies, one of whom used to be mummy, do you go along and interrogate them in advance or raise it at school?
where will you make a scene?
you haven't spoken about sexuality yet but you have about gay rights, pride and transgender, must have been some conversational tight rope you were walking.
I think I was in sixth class when we had someone explain the birds and the bees to us. We knew a lot of it already. I'd say today's kids with internet access know more than their parents.
Even so I don’t see the need to explain to primary school children about what transgender is.
I answered that: they're going to find out. Best do it in an informed classroom,
@silverharp - with all due respect, that's scaremongering bullshit.
They know what suicide is. I know when I was 10 and believe me, I'm not young. They don't go 'oh cool! Let's try that!" just because someone mentions it in aclassroom.
getting off topic here. But you haven’t discussed “sexuality”, but have discussed gay rights pride etc. I.e. “same sex attraction”? You do know that that’s what homosexuality is, versus heterosexuality?
