So 55% to 60% of international protection applicants would be single male applicants? That's quite alarming since most people were expecting the vast majority to be Ukrainian women and children.
Absolute Zero thtreadbanned
If all the EU are in favour of it then why have the German government increased deportations tenfold since early last year? Why haven't we something similar here instead of a welcome matt out for all
Nothing to do with Roderick. He is just the current lackey pushing the policy that all our political parties and the EU are in favour of.
This brainless road to a multicultural utopia pushed by Roderick, the ngo's and the rest will do serious damage to the cultural fabric of the country in the medium to long term, the likes of him are being used by the business men and women coining it from the refugee/International protection industry... Think we are getting the brightest here? Not on your Nelly.. Just wait till these guys get involved in the lucrative drugs and prostitution trade and its already happening Mark my words, think the Kinahans an Hutches were bad just wait till these guys get a foothold, I've seen it before when I've lived elsewhere... and then all the wise owls in the media well insulated from the madness will be crying "how did we get here? " in opinion pieces in the Irish Times and the likes.. A cod of a country that never grew up with no respect for itself or its borders
So it was Algeria vs Georgia in the Hotal Killarney. The main antagonist travelled to France from Algeria legally, and then arrived here with no documents, yet is still here with his wife and newborn kid.
What a soft touch we are. Roderic is a danger to the state.
I’m interested in the words you use and the way you use them, based on your previous comments, it appears that you consider an “immigrant” to be a non-national only, however, only you will be able to clarify this. I expect, as it is after all rather simple, you will provide clarification for us all - what then, is your definition of the word “immigrant”?
You decide whether you think it’s fair or not. I’m not a mind reader, but I don’t care either way what you think is or isn’t fair. You’re going to assume whatever suits you anyway, as you did earlier when you accused me of doing something I didn’t, then said that you found my not doing what you expected, “revealing”. Or, alternatively, you could decide to engage in the conversation in good faith and be straight up about the point you’re trying to make.
It is relatively simple, the CSO data refers to nationals and non-nationals, you rely on that data in order to demonstrate that births by “immigrants”, this is the term you use, “immigrants”, are lower than those by non-immigrants, the question is, then, is it fair to assume that your definition of “immigrant” is synonymous with non-national? In other words, is it fair to say that you consider “immigrant” to refer only to non-nationals resident in Ireland?
I’m genuinely frustrated with your nonsense. You first tried to accuse me of doing something I hadn’t, then you nitpicked again to tell me what you expected of me, now you’re nitpicking and wanting to know what my definition of “immigrant” is, when the last time we interacted and we were referring to Joseph Nyirenda, you invented some nonsense out of nowhere, ostensibly, that he was an asylum seeker. If it hasn’t revealed itself already, I have little patience for your nitpicking nonsense.
You’ve either got something substantive, or you don’t, but I’m done entertaining your nonsense.
Are you genuinely confused or are you being obtuse? The CSO data refers to nationals and non-nationals, you rely on that data in order to demonstrate that births by “immigrants” are lower than those by their counterparts, is it then fair to assume that your definition of “immigrant” is synonymous with non-national?
4 more arrests in the Killarney incident. Absolutely shocking and the public have every right to be concerned about just who we are allowing in to our country with open arms. There is a sense there is no control at all and vested interest NGOs are contributing to a system that seems really weak.
That’s the second time you’ve told me you’d be interested in my definition of “immigrant”, or “immigrants” and now you’re just not telling me what your issue is. What’s your issue?
I’d be interested in your definition of “immigrants” because the CSO source references nationals and non-nationals…
I didn’t accept they were non-nationals, did you read my post? I said I didn’t care whether or not anyone in the article was or wasn’t a non-national. It was a terrible article to make a point about the NUMBERS of immigrants in relation to the indigenous population. I offered a more objective source.
I find it revealing that instead of disagreeing with the assumption that those in the article were non-nationals, you accepted that they were non-nationals and appealed to an alternative source, regardless, I’d be interested in your definition of “immigrant”…
Why would I question who’s a non-national and who isn’t? I didn’t care, I was more interested in the use of the article to support the idea that what Ladlad referred to in their post was already happening here -
In this article on the first babies born in 2023, out of 7 of babies born, 4 were born to, what would be safe to assume, immigrant parents.
Rather than assuming anything about the people being referred to in the article, CSO data is obviously more objective than the selective data available in that article. It’s kinda important if one is going to make grandiose claims like suggesting that the indigenous population are outnumbered by immigrants.
It didn’t go over my head at all, that’s why I was making a joke of your use of the word “ostensibly” - it was doing all the heavy lifting in your assertion. I don’t know, is the answer you probably weren’t looking for. Maybe if you could demonstrate its truth, you might have something.
You were making a different point to the one I was picking up on in the post though which was concerned with immigrants outnumbering the indigenous population. Ladlad always provides sources for their claims though, not sure why on this occasion they forgot to include links.
Well, I would expect, then, that your response to that initial comment would to be question the assumption that Katarina Olejnikova and Frantisek Olejnik etc. are non-nationals, instead you appear to accept that they are non-nationals and decided to refer to CSO data instead, which is odd, considering your contention is that nationality rather than ethnic identity is the only valid consideration. Based on the contents of that article it is entirely unclear that any of those included are non-nationals, why then appeal to an alternative data source?
By the way, if you had read the article on which you are commenting, you would be aware that it is entirely unclear that Katarina Olejnikova and Frantisek Olejnik etc. are non-nationals…
I never assumed their nationality either way in the first place Geert, you should raise that point with Debs who brought the article up -
In a suprise twist, these boyos turned out to be as Irish as Coddle, welll at least according to our Taoiseach
Why pretend that the radical reality that Sweden’s non-national population is a product of asylum rather than localised economic migration? By “ostensibly” I was referring to the idea that is is possible that Sweden has experienced qualified, valuable migration - as opposed to asylum migration - from the aforementioned countries of origin… that this went over your head speaks volumes.
Is it? I’m perfectly comfortable recognising that Ireland is experiencing ethnic and cultural change and I’m perfectly comfortable voicing my concern at the extent to which this is occurring. The idea that opposition to demographic change, by any metric, is inherently objectionable is one that I disagree with. Regardless of whether others agree or disagree, is is important to clarify your CSO data, as I imagine you are well aware. By the way, if you had read the article on which you are commenting, you would be aware that it is entirely unclear that Katarina Olejnikova and Frantisek Olejnik etc. are non-nationals…
The local weekly paper here has a courts section from the county town. Every week amongst our own low lives there are lists of foreign names- drink driving- assault- drunk and disorderly- drug possession- theft etc etc . There will always be bad eggs but they non national population is way way over represented. Nobody bats an eye.
Growing pains as we head towards a multicultural utopia 1800 lad. I live in Meath n there's been 4 murders in the county since August, all foreign- people just shrug their shoulders now.
Some fella on the news saying different nationalities in the same hotels leading to tensions- if paddy speeds up giving them all a free gaff I'm sure tensions will dissipate! Is feidir Linn!
I don’t get you, who’s pretending what now? These two phrases are referring to two different groups of people -
In 1980 not even 1% of Sweden's population had a background in a non-European country. As of 2021, 33.5% of all residents in Sweden have a foreign background and accounted for the majority of the population increase in 2020.
And I provided a reference to the Wiki entry (handy as any) for demographics in Sweden to demonstrate the difference. I didn’t even bother to entertain this banger -
Malmo's Integration researcher, Erica Righard, an assistant professor at Malmö University stated what has previously been a "far-right conspiracy theory" - the indigenous population has become a numerical minority in Malmö, now true.
Smells like Surströmming and all 😒
There's more. in Cork, A Latvian man was arrested for assaulting a Ukrainian man with a bottle which resulted in the Ukrainian man almost bleeding to death.
Yesterday, two men were charged after seriouly assaulting two lads, leaving them to be dicovered seriously injured in a lane just off from Grafton Street and was taken St James.
I know Geert, I was joking 😬
Isn’t nationality what’s being referred to in the last few posts too though? We’re not concerned with ethnicity, that’d be racist, and nobody’s racist around these parts…
Ostensibly.
Fair enough, why pretend? - everyone is well aware that Sweden’s Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian and Somali population is primarily a product of their asylum policy.
The journalist responsible for the article is listed in the article’s byline, worth adding that the CSO data referenced is in relation to nationality rather ethnicity.
