^ dear me. Thats the greatest bucket of dump I've read on this thread.
Zelensky is going to Washington DC, to thank Biden and Congress for the support and sign a lend lease deal on Patriot air defence systems.
The trip probably shouldn't have been flagged in advance, but Zelensky is also showing that he is the ultimate elected power in Ukraine and statesman on the World stage and that he will do as he wishes.
How can Russia survive as the North Korea of Europe? It's arguably even more isolated than North Korea in that it's banned from virtually everything. The idea that the tyrant can somehow turn things around and become an 'acceptable' world leader is long gone - he has burned his bridges forever with the international community (and China is irrelevant to this discussion....they are ten times bigger than the fascist / gangster state and see it as something to be used and abused, definitely not an 'ally').
The Americans have been amazing for Ukraine. They would not have been able to hold of the Russians without them.
But do you genuinely believe that the yanks have the best interests of Ukraine at heart? That everything they are doing is of an altruistic nature?
The war is slowing down for winter. They most definitely do not want it going on for another summer, into late 2023 when election season kicks off.
Ideally, yes. But the question was how could Putin join his family in Switzerland, if he got the heave-ho from the Kremlin. So this is one way, and I'm sure that there are others. And certainly at this stage in the game, Putin will have considered all the options, and made plans. I would not like to be one of Putins doubles at any time, but at the moment??? Just in case a trial test run went wrong....
Someone found some old Sherry
You ask any Ukrainians if they share your vision about the future?
Something that seems to get forgotten on a regular basis is that Ukraine handed over all its Nuclear weapons in return for security guarantees from the US, Great Britain and ( ironically ) Russia under the Budapest Memorandum. So if for no other reason, the US and the UK are bound to support Ukraine every way they can.
Definitely !!! The weaker and more dependent on China Russia is. the better the Chinese will like it. When it comes to supping with the devil, you need a very long spoon. Xi Jinping could well be looking at the ethnic Chinese living in Siberia with a view to liberating them Putin -style.
Gangsters meeting in Belarus looks pathetic judging by this article
Where was lying loudmouth Lavov?
Glad to see unhealthy vodka swilling rotten tyrant and Co displaying such weakness his well choreographed bounce off the plane dosent look real maybe a double.
Will they last the war and how threatened did Luco feel he must know this too.
I think russian lines will collapse in the next 2 months no army can't sustain hundreds of casualties per day some from weather and being under supplied.
How can a losing invader for the last 6 months keep in the fight?
What class of crap does this fall under?
This conflict has really shown the power of modern propaganda. The levels of delusion in this thread are truly astonishing. People having serious conversations about how Putin and his family will flee to Switzerland when the Russians are defeated. You are absolutely right, it's the Ukrainian people that will suffer the consequences of this mass delusion.
Lol.
Of course he should go. He gets to meet with congress and the President.
Meanwhile the 5d chess master is meeting with this cartoon.
Ah, the gusto of a new recruit...
You're in for a hard sell here buddy.
Objectively speaking, the only people who should decide where the borders lie is Ukraine, it's citizens and army. If you think that those who support Ukraine in it's stated goals are deluded, then you are equally deluded in seeking to undermine their stated goals.
Not so sure about the part where he will do what he wishes, heis going to beg and as media spetacle before the house of reps changes, his situation is desperate so he'll do and try anything.
Did you read the interview in the Economist from his top general? He says unless he gets a huge number of heavy equipment, equal to entire army of medium sized EU state, he may have to address his troops to announce that Ukraine would likely lose. He, remember the top general, said that they would be facing an additional 200k combat troops as the Russian mobilization was "a success" in his own words.
Strangely that interview seems to have gone unnoticed or largely ignored in many publications.
They will suffer more if they concede anything. If they stop fighting the people in the occupied regions will have no one to defend them against civilian mass graves, ethnic cleansing and children rapists.
It is clear that it is the Russian people that have been the subject of mass delusions used to maintain the illusion of competence from Putin and his kleptocracy. And our course you lickspittles
I not too sure about 200k combat ready troops. What are they going to arm them with rusty Mosin rifles, PPSh-41 or maybe a few sticks with bayonets tied to the end of them
There is only one counter offensive coming and that is by the UA.
I am not sure if Putin will get the chance to flee. I do not think the Swiss will take him. There is only one winner here. The Russian economy is collapsing further.
The two biggest economic blocks are slowly squeezing the life out of Russia as they provide the military aid to Ukraine to defeat them.
Ukraine is fighting the war for the US ... they will keep ukraine on a slow but steady drip of material ... enough to hold back the Russians .. but not enough to go on a proper offensive... end result will be a toothless Russia without one single American soldier lost... geopolitics at its finest
No one thinks the US are supporting Ukraine out of altruism. The primary goal of the US here is to stop Russia from winning. If Russia win, that will embolden them to take further agressive action in the future, as well as China and other nations. That wider threat to American interests doesn't go away just because an election is on.
Putin doesn't give two **** about the Russian people, He's just a thug who has enriched himself and his inner circle at the expense of the people who can't even protest about it. You live in a dictatorship and yet think you're free.
Russia doesn't want to invade the rest of Europe. The only reason they invaded Ukraine is because Ukraine were going to buddy up with the EU and Ukraine being vital in terms of resources, they couldn't let this happen. Ukraines oil reserves are massive, not to mention everything else. They're vital to the world economy.
There's a reason the EU are so desperate to support Ukraine and it's not for humanitarian reasons.
If anyone thinks the EU would support the likes of Georgia or Albania in the same was as Ukraine they are deluded.
The EU is only out for themselves. Europe and US says "we'll support Ukraine as long as it takes" yet they didn't do the same for Afghanistan. They abandoned the Afghans.
My neighbor has a lovely car for sale, think I'm just going to take it so he can't sell it elsewhere.
At the risk of being crude, that's like a rapist saying 'I didn't want to rape her, but she was too sexy'. A ridiculous argument.
The Ukranian army stood and fought and was supported by its government. And vice versa.
Cant support an army that isnt there.
And the vast majority of Ukranians want democratic government and alignment with the West.
Ukraine has received a lot of support from its neighbours, ex USSR colonies who remember the USSR and dont want a Russian trojan horse on their borders.
The stakes are higher with Ukraine and the support can make a difference.
That is why it is different to Georgia or Afghanistan.
Probably the best summary of Russian motivation possible
Yep, here you go.
Ukraine today holds the second biggest known gas reserves in Europe. As of late 2019, known Ukrainian reserves amounted to 1.09 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, second only to Norway’s known resources of 1.53 trillion cubic meters.
The exact volumes of gas currently lying deep underneath the Black Sea are not yet known. Rough estimates predict that the Ukrainian shelf may contain more than two trillion cubic meters of gas. The exact figure is yet to be determined since two-thirds of the country’s maritime area passed to de facto Russian control following Moscow’s illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014.
It's all about oil and the power it brings. The EU suckling on the tit of Ukraine would mean Russia loses power and money. Do you think it's just a coincidence the two areas that Russia aimed for first were the Donbas (massive oil potential) and Crimea (Black Sea - huge potential of oil)
Why would the EU do anything for Afghanistan? Apart from the humanitarian aid provided during atrocities? Last I checked, its not in Europe and unlikely to be joining the EU anytime soon?
I had previously made a number of points similar to what General Zaluzhny made. There is going to be nothing easy about Ukraine liberating occupied lands. What really worries me is all the time that Russia have had for fortify and entrench themselves in Ukrainian territory. People here can laugh all they want, but there's going to be nothing easy about Ukrainian forces attacking multiple lines of Russian trenches with minefields, obstacles and strongpoints filled with machine guns and anti-tank fire.
This shouldn't need to be said, but the above isn't a hope/prediction of a Russian win.
Afghan "men" and their tribes are the reason Afghanistan is in the state it's in. Not to mention their cruel interpretation of Islam. The west gave them everything they possibly could materially, and they still chickened out of the fight, unlike the brave men and women of Ukraine. Your can't help those who don't want to help themselves.
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