Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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That's very true. The whole Marie Farrell thing is another strange part in all this. She's obviously completely unreliable, but why? Is it attention or she actually covering for someone? This mystery man that she was supposed to be with has since deceased. Dead end (pardon the pun). I thought it was very strange as well in Sheridans documentary when they're both in the car, Sheridan says "you know that's the road to Sophie's house" and Farrell says something like "oh really I didn't know that". As if - what local wouldn't know that. She also ended up moving away from Schull. Was it because of guilt? Was she protecting her husband (who has had a few encounters of note himself). That aspect is all very strange.
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"Bailey is the perfect Patsy"
That's the thing, he was totally the wrong Patsy, when they failed to crack him they went to work on Farrell, Jules, all the freeloaders that went to France, Alfie, Leo, Bill fuller, your man with the bag of stash, the ones he " confessed to" etc. the whole thing became a farce. They should have just gone for the village idiot.
Based on the recent Garda press conference I`d say there`s none. As for the DPP, they couldn`t even work out that Jules`s studio was a couple of hundred yards down the road from her house.
Wisdom of crowds?
Maybe the attacker overdone it, and left Sophie in such a way, that were she to survive she would identify them. Then they would have to make sure that didn’t happen, hence the final coup-de-grace with the block.
Ok so, the fact that I believe it’s not Alfie, does not mean I think it has to be Bailey. You’re obviously as brainwashed and blinkered as all the other “ Bailey done it” brigade
State pathologist said the same thing but hopefully those trying to now resolve the case will ignore the evidence they have and read this thread.
Thanks for that evaluation that makes no sense whatsoever.
On the number of blows thing the chief detective said this was clearly someone who had lost all control, intimating a lot of evidence of "overkill".
You need to get Bailey out of your head.
He does disagree with me - he's just saying that there are others that might agree. He clearly has an open mind, unlike you
Stop a while and think now April and remember what you said;
It would explain why she didn't invite josephine hellen over as she ussually did
Sophie made two phone calls to Josephine Hellen on Sunday evening to arrange for Josephine to come to her house at noon on Monday
who do you think is most likely then?
No!
Cheers for that input, it makes perfect sense that you disagreed with him about who was the actual murderer in a post you made 8 minutes prior to this one.
we can only speculate! do you think it was Bailey?
no she didn't josephine is quoted as saying she was surprised as sophie usually had gifts for josephine's children. i cannor recall where j is quoted
This is from Killing Sophie
It would appear that Sophie stayed at home on Saturday morning and
did not leave the house until after lunch. Finbarr Hellen, Josephine’s
husband, saw Sophie’s car parked outside her house sometime between
12.00 p.m. and 1.00 p.m. Was there someone in Sophie’s house that
morning? He’s not sure but he thought he saw a shadow in the hallway.
Josephine Hellen had an interesting story to tell about that weekend. She
said that her husband Finbarr and son John were accustomed to go over
every day to feed the cattle near Sophie’s house. On that Saturday, the
21 December 1996, they went over sometime early in the day, with a
bale. Sophie liked John and Finbarr and she would always come out and
talk. She always brought John a present as well as the rest of the kids.
But, that weekend she never came out to talk.
on what basis can you say that? genuinely.
I would say there's quite a few, including the DPP
Rest assured no one else thinks what you are saying is right.
I'll have to agree to differ with you regarding Alfie, I don't think he was the killer.
I'm by no means saying what I think is right, it just makes the most sense to me. There are so many variables. Bailey is the perfect Patsy
Wasn't there some fencing going on near the gate at the time?
I think that was her first visit that year, I could be wrong on that. If it was her first visit, could it have been the reason for the visit at that time of year
Total speculation here but I think if there were to be a row about a right of way, wouldn't a confrontation over the gate have kicked off pretty soon after a gate was installed across the right of way and not many months if not a year or so after it was installed?
" It would explain why she didn't invite josephine hellen over as she ussually did"
But she did!
i'm sure the gardai are well aware of anything rumoured here and know all about any disputes
The gate at the start of the right of way was not just Sophie's, it was shared with two other properties. She might have liked it kept closed but that's it, I don't think she would leave her house to remonstrate with someone using that common gate.
The other gate from the ROW part of the lane into the bottom of Sophie's lawn was Sophie's, she had it installed in the last year or so. The pumphouse was actually the pier that this gate closed onto. Shirley Foster found this gate open when she discovered the body. This was a gate into Sophie's private property. Discovering someone at this gate might cause her to confront whoever it was. Sophie was only there occasionally and it's possible those around the area took liberties when she was not there. I have seen this happen here where I am. Her visitor might not have been aware she was at the cottage and carried on as usual, or they may well have known she was there and just carried on.
Further back in the thread I put up a landregistry map; post 434. showing the only routes to Alfie's shed and his fields below his house. Through this gate was one route, the other being along the back of Sophie's house by her back door. I read on another forum that Sophie installed another gate across this path at the same time. I haven't been able to find a photo of this second gate at the time of the murder, so I haven't shown it, there is a photo of that gate but it's taken much later.
If there's one thing sure to kick off neighbour against neighbour it's gates across a right of way without consultation even if it's only an imagined right of way.
But who is to say Alfie was around that early. i think Bailey is a better bet but with new info coming about who knows. maybe there was guy secretly staying with her. It would explain why she didn't invite josephine hellen over as she ussually did
no it wasn't
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