The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
It's been a known thing for a long time
At 95% SOC I don't need to charge my "piddly" car as it will likely get me home from most parts of the country. I see a lot of Teslas do though, quite worrying that cars that cost so much have such bad range at 95% SOC
An overstay fee is intended to maximise the money the site owner makes per hour along with moving cars along who could possibly move to say the next charger down the road or a nearby AC charger if they need more charge.
ESB mostly charge per kWh of energy and typically above 80% , so they make more money from those charging quickly below 80% than those above 80%. They also have higher fees on faster chargers to encourage those who can't use or dont need the higher power to use the cheaper lower power unit to again maximise usage and try get users to act correctly based on cost. They increased overstay fees possibly as some people were just paying it and hogging chargers.
If only esb had a public twitter poll for a new CEO instead of a generic survey.
I'm in favor of the overtsay and wouldnt be longer than 45mins.
That doesnt answer the says who.
Also, if the 5% from 94 to 99 i am charging at 30kW and it will enable me to skip one FCP/HCP/SuC stop then I'll do it.
And while you do that you're blocking a valuable resource for others, what a nice person you aren't!
A resource I'm paying for, my needs as a paying customer are as valuable as anyone elses. I'm within the 45 minutes and I need to charge my ecar.
Well make sure you look after the most important person anyway
An 80% rule of thumb is long past being useful, their are cars with so many different charging curves. Moving to an AC charger very rarely results in quicker charging speeds until well into the 90%'s.
I've always been a proponent of a blended payments, pay per kWh, and pay per minute for the "parking" that way it leaves it in the hands of the driver to balance their charging costs and parking posts.
Exactly. It appears that this logic is well beyond some on this thread. An Etron is a great example. On a 50kW point it is maxing out the charger from 0-99%.
You're missing the point, on a 50kW charger a leaf will charge 6 times faster than it would on AC, 12 for the older generation, that etron charging to 99% means waiting for other cars... Being selfish at chargers isn't going to be good for EV adoption
For me, when I first got the EV earlier this year it was 3-4 months before I could get a charge point at home. Therefore, a once a week trip to the local fast charge point to fill to 100% was what was needed to keep me going for the week.
In my opinion this was not that I was doing it to block a valuable resource for someone else, it was that I was using said resource to complete it's intended task - to charge a car.
I'm sure in your case you were mindful of other users and would have disconnected to allow someone who needed only a few minutes to get home for example. The same way that farmers who are driving on a road will often pull in to allow any cars stuck behind them to get past. The farmer is also using the road as it was intended, but is aware that it is a shared resource and that he should consider others who would also like to use the resource. Also, was granny charging at home until you got the charge point not an option?
I was 'lucky' that the local fast charger was an Ionity (rather than ESB single point of failure sites), so there was almost always spare capacity at the site for anyone who came along.
In my instance, with the layout of the house, path and nearest sockets, etc. Granny charging was not an option.
However, since getting the home charge point, I stress less about public charging and once or twice have arrived home on the electric equivalent of fumes 😁
Install more units so. Elm is paying for it, let him at it.
You'd rather he went to another unit to finish charging? And I suppose he wouldn't be "blocking a valuable resource for others" at that second charger! Give me a break
How do you know what state of charge these Tesla's are at?
They could be at 40% or 75%. How do you know what range they've got at 95%?.
You said
Plug in on AC in that case, your charging speed will probably be the same at 80%+ SOC
and people told you it is not necessarily true. From a 2016 i3 to a 2023 taycan lots of cars would charge faster than AC at those %SoC.
I think if the chargers would be numerous enough, and people will not need to queue or question where would get the chance to charge again, nobody would waste their time charging to 100. When facing the unknown the answer is I get as much as I can to make sure I get where I need to get. 45 minutes overstay protects in a bad way a bad network. One size fits all doesn't work, and if that was fair 4 years ago when we didn't know better it is not anymore. Next year will be the last on the ecars development plan and we still have just one charging hub, or 3 spaces for 4 plugs designs. So direct your judgement towards those responsible for such a bad state that the network is in. And ultimately I didn't charge on ecars DC in the last 18 months but the billing plan I'm on has overstay after minute 90 so I could charge to 100% without being penalized if I really wanted to.
So what you're saying is that a properly designed hub results in no queues? Interesting, if only ESB could figure that out
It's like I keep saying, pointing the finger at other EV drivers is pointless. If ESB would install proper charging sites then we wouldn't be having these arguments
Exactly - if only Ana (and her new cousin Stephen, who sometimes responds on Facebook) could have worked that out.
So I should disadvantage my notional etron by moving from a 50kW where I'm drawing 50kW, to an AC where I will only get 11kW, in case a 24kWh leaf needs it?
To use a phrase from a gormless fool that I hate, but it's apt here, Come on, man!
It would be the decent thing to do... Can't be expecting everybody to do that I guess
It says it on the display on the fast charge points
You'd disadvantage the Leaf as well as switching to the AC side will halve the DC power
I don't think anyone is sitting on a paid DC charger because they're being petty, they're paying for the service so they feel they need the electricity
Free to use chargers however are just asking to be abused, as we've seen before
Like I keep saying, pointing the finger at other EV drivers is pointless, we need proper hubs
The overstay fee needs to be restructured as well. The Maxol hub in Kinnegar which charges per minute of overstay is a great example.
It makes our imaginary E-tron driver think twice about sitting on the 50kW to save on the rate and just sucking it up with the overstay fee
LOL. You're deluded. I literally don't know what to say to that. And I'm usually unmatched in the loquacious department.
Agreed. Maxol (and Tesla) have really shown how this should be done. Tesla is the best as you get charged the overstay only if you're actually blocking someone . If you're charging at 2am and theres no one else there on an 8 stall SuC, you don't get charged. However if you're using stall 8 of 8 and all others are in use, you are charged a euro a minute!
Deluded for hoping people do the right thing. It's a sad world we live in
Last time I plugged in on the AC side of a fast charger I drew 4kW, the car beside me continued to draw the other 45 so not sure where your experience came from
I believe this has been a known issue on many ESB chargers for years. The older triple heads were the main culprit I believe
AFAIK, there are two power supplies and one of them will prioritise the AC charger. So using the AC can cause the entire power supply to be dedicated to that side even if it isn't needed
Ah yes I haven't seen one of those old green units in years, the blue ones have a better distribution it seems
So who's sitting on an AC point on a fast charger? I haven't seen an ESB charger that tells you how much energy has been consumed on an AC charger. I have on a DC charger.
Do you spend much time going round chargers looking to see what the battery level is currently at on Tesla's?
It's one of the things I check when I get to a station and there's a car in front of me, gives me an idea of when they might be finished. Other things I check are the charge start time (can also be seen from the app) and the power being drawn
If you're at a charger, charge away as much as you like if it's your turn. If you want to give it away to someone else work away but there's no obligation. The overstay fees are a great idea
