The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
So what you're saying is that a properly designed hub results in no queues? Interesting, if only ESB could figure that out
It's like I keep saying, pointing the finger at other EV drivers is pointless. If ESB would install proper charging sites then we wouldn't be having these arguments
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Plug in on AC in that case, your charging speed will probably be the same at 80%+ SOC
and people told you it is not necessarily true. From a 2016 i3 to a 2023 taycan lots of cars would charge faster than AC at those %SoC.
I think if the chargers would be numerous enough, and people will not need to queue or question where would get the chance to charge again, nobody would waste their time charging to 100. When facing the unknown the answer is I get as much as I can to make sure I get where I need to get. 45 minutes overstay protects in a bad way a bad network. One size fits all doesn't work, and if that was fair 4 years ago when we didn't know better it is not anymore. Next year will be the last on the ecars development plan and we still have just one charging hub, or 3 spaces for 4 plugs designs. So direct your judgement towards those responsible for such a bad state that the network is in. And ultimately I didn't charge on ecars DC in the last 18 months but the billing plan I'm on has overstay after minute 90 so I could charge to 100% without being penalized if I really wanted to.
How do you know what state of charge these Tesla's are at?
They could be at 40% or 75%. How do you know what range they've got at 95%?.
Install more units so. Elm is paying for it, let him at it.
You'd rather he went to another unit to finish charging? And I suppose he wouldn't be "blocking a valuable resource for others" at that second charger! Give me a break
I was 'lucky' that the local fast charger was an Ionity (rather than ESB single point of failure sites), so there was almost always spare capacity at the site for anyone who came along.
In my instance, with the layout of the house, path and nearest sockets, etc. Granny charging was not an option.
However, since getting the home charge point, I stress less about public charging and once or twice have arrived home on the electric equivalent of fumes 😁
I'm sure in your case you were mindful of other users and would have disconnected to allow someone who needed only a few minutes to get home for example. The same way that farmers who are driving on a road will often pull in to allow any cars stuck behind them to get past. The farmer is also using the road as it was intended, but is aware that it is a shared resource and that he should consider others who would also like to use the resource. Also, was granny charging at home until you got the charge point not an option?
For me, when I first got the EV earlier this year it was 3-4 months before I could get a charge point at home. Therefore, a once a week trip to the local fast charge point to fill to 100% was what was needed to keep me going for the week.
In my opinion this was not that I was doing it to block a valuable resource for someone else, it was that I was using said resource to complete it's intended task - to charge a car.
You're missing the point, on a 50kW charger a leaf will charge 6 times faster than it would on AC, 12 for the older generation, that etron charging to 99% means waiting for other cars... Being selfish at chargers isn't going to be good for EV adoption
Exactly. It appears that this logic is well beyond some on this thread. An Etron is a great example. On a 50kW point it is maxing out the charger from 0-99%.
An 80% rule of thumb is long past being useful, their are cars with so many different charging curves. Moving to an AC charger very rarely results in quicker charging speeds until well into the 90%'s.
I've always been a proponent of a blended payments, pay per kWh, and pay per minute for the "parking" that way it leaves it in the hands of the driver to balance their charging costs and parking posts.
Well make sure you look after the most important person anyway
A resource I'm paying for, my needs as a paying customer are as valuable as anyone elses. I'm within the 45 minutes and I need to charge my ecar.
And while you do that you're blocking a valuable resource for others, what a nice person you aren't!
That doesnt answer the says who.
Also, if the 5% from 94 to 99 i am charging at 30kW and it will enable me to skip one FCP/HCP/SuC stop then I'll do it.
I'm in favor of the overtsay and wouldnt be longer than 45mins.
An overstay fee is intended to maximise the money the site owner makes per hour along with moving cars along who could possibly move to say the next charger down the road or a nearby AC charger if they need more charge.
ESB mostly charge per kWh of energy and typically above 80% , so they make more money from those charging quickly below 80% than those above 80%. They also have higher fees on faster chargers to encourage those who can't use or dont need the higher power to use the cheaper lower power unit to again maximise usage and try get users to act correctly based on cost. They increased overstay fees possibly as some people were just paying it and hogging chargers.
If only esb had a public twitter poll for a new CEO instead of a generic survey.
It's been a known thing for a long time
At 95% SOC I don't need to charge my "piddly" car as it will likely get me home from most parts of the country. I see a lot of Teslas do though, quite worrying that cars that cost so much have such bad range at 95% SOC
Not meant to? Says who?
At 95% SOC I'm still charging faster than most of the piddly cars are at 70-80% anyway. My old leaf I saw single digits before 80% sometimes in the cold.
You've missed the point, again, you're not meant to fully fill your battery at a DC charge point!
Not everybody drives a €55k car
Yes. Get out of the business and leave it to competent operators
New eCARS customer survey just out.
Will we just tell straight out them to sell-up?
At a 50kW point I only get 45 minutes which is not enough to fill a 60kWh battery. Therefore I avoid them and only stop at HPC.
Fast charge points getting you to the next one is outdated, thats from when we all had 100km range leafs
Fast charge points are designed to get you to the next fast charge point - or home... At that charging speed you'd surely never need more than 30 minutes at a 50kW point?
Teslas are the ones with the big batteries and lots of range aren't they?
That's only true for piddly 20-30kWh cars. And leafs. Other cars charge fast up to 80-85-90-95 and beyond. I know for example my model 3 charges at 25-30kW all the way to 95%. I can take 11kW on AC, and the speed on DC never reaches that.
Pretty sure the planning permission only had 4 marked spaces, it was 4 single charging units
The Circle K in Clonshaugh will become the default airport taxi hub when it goes in…..
4 units so I’m assuming 8 cars simultaneously…..
then the Tesla Taxi’s will get their top ups on the Dublin North supercharger whenever that goes in….
What's wrong with a hub for taxi's being run by ESB? They have experience running Taxi only networks in the UK.
I think the concern is that taxis may have far higher rapid charging than typical EV per kilometer covered. If taxi was shared by 2 drivers in shifts or owned by taxi company in 24/7 use, it may be rapid charged 2 times a day and some UK taxi companies have their own 50kW+ chargers and cooked the leafs batteries on early models with no cooling. Imagine a Dublin airport based taxi with non stop airport to city centre trips and then filling up on taxi only chargers at the airport. I am not saying that may taxis here would do this but often the battery warranty is not from car maker but battery maker, say Panasonic, and they want to reduce their risk of a claim. There were teslas with free supercharging that were used 24/7/365 as city to city "busses" in USA. Supercharged multiple times a day. Wear and tear on doors and back seats can be higher in taxis too. They reduced the kilometers covered under battery warranty on some newer models compared to older cars.
Back on topic around Dublin airport is also mad with taxis, it really needs a hub, ideally non esb.
Wow that's pretty harsh, I get that a taxi would see a lot more use than a typical car, but a mileage based service interval should take care of that
My own car doesn't hit AC charging speed until it's at 95%.
