Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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so we could meet up and he could "break me in two".
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Mrs Hellen did indicate to gardaí that, some years earlier, Sophie had suspected someone was breaking into the house to use the bathroom facilitieswhile she was away in France and the property was empty.This became apparent when she arrived with her friend, Bruno Carbonnet, and hecomplained that the bath had not been properly cleaned."
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Why would there be blood inside? I'd imagine the attacker was relatively unscathed - particularly as they likely struck the first blow. The smear on the door is likely to be Sophies from the cuff of their jacket or something.
I've read in a few places that there was a rift between Alfie and Sophie regarding the gate. Something happened regarding the gate for it to all kick off. the straw that broke the camels back.
if they had blood on their hand to get on door it would be inside at a forensic level
The smear on the door is likely to be Sophies
you didn't even know it was sophies blood? and you know the attacker was unscathed.
I think it's a smear from a sleeve or something
its brighter at the bottom because thats the point at which the handle was down and the door pushed open - which would result in more contact with the door. But you can see that the hand would have been further down at this point, hence why I think it's a sleeve or cuff.
Theres no blood on the handle itself implying the hands weren't covered in blood
I said "I'd imagine" and "likely" all of which imply it's just an opinion. I never said there was blood on the attackers hand either.
The Gardai are the last to know about land and boundary disputes. It’s already too late by the time they’re involved
you said on their sleeve. if they had blood enough to smear the door some trace of it would have dropped inside the house
Have you said that twice now?
We know it's too late obviously
Any boundary disputes will lead gardai straight to a suspect as there's a connection to the victim ie; the land
do you think you have just discovered that photo? you're late to the party. That blood would have dropped somewhere inside or rubbed something else
i'm late to the party? it's been solved has it?
why would it drop inside? have you ever rubbed up against fresh paint? does it leave a trail after you? no!
or was there a trail of blood up the road after the attack that i've missed as well
it's interesting to see that there is additional land associated with the folio on Sophies house (centre). The yellow line being a Right of Way to the gate which starts at the back of Sophies house.
blood is not paint
there was some blood found on the way to the gate. if you had done any research you would know all this.
There were at least two blows. Some people can`t get their head around the fact that 40 or 50 fractures (I think Harbison said 50) doesn`t mean that there were 40 or 50 blows.
i'm entitled to form an opinion based on the extent of what i've read about the case.
the house is nearly 100m from the gate by road. blood will soak into clothing. by the time the attacker got back to the house there wouldn't be any blood dripping off them unless they were bleeding profusely themselves which I highly doubt.
Yes. i think that is in relation to the breeseblock. But there were other blows with a stone or stones. Some reports say up to 30
the indo of 10 july 2021 says "Sophie Toscan du Plantier's head had been disfigured by an estimated 50 blows with a heavy rock and concrete cavity block".
of course i don' know how accurate that is but her parents did not recognise her and her skull was exposed
true
blood will soak into some clothes. On others it will stay and drop. Remember too the person who bloodied the door did not know the blood was there. So very likely it would stain something if they went in
The blood is sophies.I believe she was attacked first at the door and touched the wound and then tried to get back in. She couldn't and ran. If a person is struck it is natural to touch to see if they are bleeding
the drops are probably from sophie as she fled
that's an interesting way to look at it but I think things happened the other way around. I can't see why she would flee in that direction from the house instead of going to one of her two neighbours. the next house down the road is nearly 700m away as the crow flies.
other than the stain on the door, there are no signs that an attack took place at the house.
There was no house down that lane at the time of the murder, it was built sometime after 2003.
A cavity block is still a heavy item to lift, carry and raise sufficiently high in order to fling downward at, say, a prone human being on the ground - even for a strong man. Few women would be capable of doing so.
One neighbours house was unoccupied and the Fosters were, presumably, still sound asleep in bed. So, her only real chance of escaping her killers clutches was to make a run for it toward the front gate.
Lazy sensationalist journalism.
Not that heavy really 23kg approx (9 inch cavity) most men and many women could lift that above their head at least once especially with gloves
especially when angry or desperate. A gas cylinder is 25kg for comparison.
have you evidence she wasn't hit 30 times?
This was in the Southern Star
"Supt Moore said he wants to establish the movements of Sophie between 4.30pm on December 22nd 1996, and when her body was discovered the following morning.
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Sean Murray from Hurley’s Garage in Skibbereen may have been one of the last people to see Sophie alive, as she pulled into the garage in her rented silver Ford Fiesta with the registration plate 96 C 14459 on December 22nd, after coming from Cork Airport that afternoon.
He made a statement to gardaí in the weeks after her death and told them that a tall man was sitting beside Sophie in the car when the car pulled into the petrol station for a fill-up. However, he told The Southern Star this week that he hasn’t been contacted by the current investigation team looking into the case, but if he was, he would tell them exactly what he told gardaí in 1996."
I though that this sighting was regarded as mistaken identity in the first investigation?
Of course not. You can`t prove a negative. But if Sophie was incapacitated on the ground and the killer stood over her and struck her once with the block with force, then that`s your 50 fractures right there.
she could have been dragged away from the door after she tried to open it
And then she could have been cut off from her neighbourby the killer.
Then there was only one way to run and she left drops of blood on the way
Come on. 25kgs! Lifted 50 times!
I'd struggle.
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