A pit bull dog below in Wexford the latest episode of a child been savaged . Are these dogs suitable for pets .
PS The only people with Pitbulls or similar in our town are involved in drug dealing and or general criminality.
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Yet again I'll say it the last 2 fatal documented attacks in THIS country were not Pitbulls and one of which happened on the owners property, the breeds were Husky x Terrier and 2 Rottweilers, you seemed to gloss over the fact it said FACTS, as it verified proof of bites/attacks. One of the reasons the RB list was brought in was likely the attack on Stephen Power in 1998, thats the year when the RB list was introduced, HOWEVER Dublin city council didn't ban dogs on the RB list till 2007, thats nearly 10 years. Has it stopped people keeping them in DCC owned homes again NO sure the Gardai and Dog Wardens don't seem to know how to ID or enforce RB list so likely the council is the same too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-takes-down-mirrors-home-20333269
APBT's are banned in the UK but these kids injuries look like A.Mizans injuries, yet noones calling for Labradors to be banned, same about if either attack happened in Ireland, they weren't restricted breeds just like the dog that killed Mia O Connell in 2021 wasn't a dog on the RB list.
Looks like you didn't bother to do too much reading..
I think you are misunderstanding a lot of things around breeding dogs.. ( just pointing to your quotes from the article, without seeing the bigger picture )
On the other hand, you are quick to jump in with your own bias.. Thank fook you are not the one calling shots.
You are only making a case for all dogs to be banned so.
Yeah I suppose I am so you see attacking or killing people is not a uniquely Pitbull or Restricted breed trait, dogs from Pomeranians to Neapolitan Mastiffs have killed people, does this mean every one of a given breed is a danger NO it doesn't, if we were to ban any breed thats caused a documented human fatality almost all dog breeds would be banned.
This has probably been said already but the problem is not the breed but the owners.
As long as some XXXXX are getting big dogs as a status symbol ? That fact alone ... The bigger and more aggressive the dog the better? After all a placid under control dog does not fit the butch image...
More control/enforcement as seems some folk have no intention of any appreciation of the horrific damage any dog is capable of under certain conditions.
sheep killed by dogs - Search (bing.com)
This is eerily reminiscent of the US gun control arguments
"Guns don't kill people, people do" / "Dogs aren't dangerous, people are".
"I need this assault rifle and grenade launcher to defend my home" / "I need this 50 kg ball of muscle and jaws for, ummm, love and companionship"
"Yeah it's a shame those children died but whaddaya gonna do" - actually, that one's exactly the same.
Yeah guns and dogs... All it takes to make damage is an idiot owner..
From a few posts here we can see that even non idiot owners have lost control of these dogs. We don't need them.
Wonderfully logical comparison to be honest.
We? Who is we? Can't you just speak for yourself?
How would you like if I say we don't need your posting here..
See?
One thing I can't stand is when posters start to hide behind "we", "vast majority" etc .
We as humans don't need them. As it happens most people see a need for tougher dog control measures.
Agreed.. and like most things enforcement is the problem. I've already said these new American breeds are unjustifiably big & powerful, there's no real need for them in Ireland, this isn't Johannesburg where big hounds are actually utilised and (in some cases) a first defence & dispensable canon fodder type dog that will keep defending with awful gun injuries while the family seek safe haven.
I like the little staffies though. I was a reluctant owner of one that was used as a bait dog by rural/nomadic types. I found her & took her to the vet who patched her up and basically called me to tell me my dog was ready. Fortunately the vet covered the expense (they were pretty lofty, the dog had lots of stitches and an unfortunate detached ear that led to a more game dog look) I had a great little companion for the remaining four years of her life. I've had other dogs that were far more unpredictable and untrustworthy. The dog wasn't an extension of my machismo and wasn't treated as such, but if push came to shove she'd be easily overcome by an adult, I was a very responsible, careful dog owner.
My earlier point stands, as long as we humans carry on the forced evolution of dogs to look, act & carry on how we like them to do there'll aways be a bad boy dog for the bad boy man child. In previous posts on this thread I've named dog breeds that aren't on the restricted breed list and they should be.
As long as rapid hybrid vigour breed development concentrated on enhancement of the improved or increased function of big dogs happens we're always going to be on the back foot. This problem is augmented by inbreeding. In 1999 there were no XL bullies in Ireland. Now there's lots of them. There's no doubt that there's seriously inbred big powerful dogs in the hands of boys that aren't capable of putting a wash on.
Agreed. I like guns and I like dogs. I've owned both. And I think ownership of both should be regulated, licensed and enforced. Whether it's a pistol/pug, a shotgun/pitbull or an assault rifle/wolfhound.
True. The anti bull breeds gang here, stayed very quiet regarding that awful incident of the poor lady in Surrey who was mauled by 8 dogs a few weeks ago. They were probably raging that none of the dogs were "pit bulls".
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The first article is dreadful. Knee jerk reaction at the cost of the animals because the owner and authorities are incompetent.
The second one sounds like the typical case of idiots leaving dog and child unsupervised. Own fault
Yes seems to be a knee jerk reaction. The two dogs were out of control but the guy said he suffered no physical injuries but the dogs attacked his two smaller dogs for about 20to 30 seconds. It did not say how bad the injuries were to the other dogs. Alot of dogs if got out would run straight up to the nearest dog and play rough.
I think a heavy fine for the owner would have been more appropriate. I know if my dog happened to get out it would also run upto the nearest dog and play rough like alot of dogs. It would not maul them but certainly be mouthy. Not contoning the incident. Dogs with this behaviour should never be allowed out without a lead but when you own a dog that can live upto 12+ years possibly there will be a one off lapse of guarding by the owner that should not kead to the dog being destroyed.
Interesting that you describe the first case (two dead dogs) as "dreadful" and the second (dead child) is just "typical" and "own fault".
The second one involved a dog that needed armed police to shoot it at the scene. Not sure what's typical about that.
There is no mention of the dog being shot at the scene.
A ten second google search will resolve that for you.
Why would I google this? I read the linked article in the post. Dog and child were unsupervised, which is never a good idea if they are that young. Owner’s/ parents’ own fault.
People are exactly the reason dangerous dogs and guns shouldn't be available.
dangerous dogs
Any breed, or dog is potentially dangerous..
And as you say, some people are the reason.
I'll repeat myself on this thread, some people's solution to it, is to ban breeds, cull breeds etc. Personally I call it shortsighted, hysterical, or whatever bullshít.
To be clear.
This dog was such a loving and loyal family pet that after killing a child, the police had to call in armed support, who considered the only way to proceed was to shoot the fncking thing. Police in the UK do not discharge firearms in residential areas unless there is very good reason.
Improper supervision wasn't the issue here, it was the fcking dog.
If you're going to sit there and tell me a dog that killed a child and required armed police to deal with it wasn't dangerous, then I don't know what to tell you.
By the way, guess what sort of dog it was. I'll bet you can take a good stab at it.
Link your sources into your posts then. I surely won’t be googling stuff about some random “tragedy” which is was caused by nothing else but human stupidity.
I'm genuinely in shock that you're using quotation marks around "tragedy" there. A four year old girl is dead. That's genuinely appalling, even for the internet, so I can only assume I'm being trolled, but surely there are some things even trolls shouldn't say.
The human stupidity here is that these dogs exist in the first place.
Ah the usual trolling accusation…great.
I made it quite clear where I think the fault lay. You can’t prevent these things from happening if people refuse to take responsibility.
Who would guess this kind of "concerned citizen" comment will appear here..
Genuinely dishonest post I would say..
I had a Staffy - she died last year surrounded by me and my siblings a beloved family pet at the age of 14. She never hurt anyone, because we trained her and kept her under control when in public at all times.
I currently have an American Akita. He is kept on a lead in public at all times and I invest a lot of time in socializing him properly. He is a furry couch potato and once proper introductions are made, one of the friendliest dogs I have met.
The problem is gobsh*te owners. I would actually have little problem with a special licence being required to own listed breeds showing that you have the training to handle them and a home check has been carried out.
When this story broke I and every other responsible owner shuddered at the idea of a moron allowing a bull breed (or any dog really, but especially a listed breed) to roam. These breeds get a bad wrap because utter idiots get them.
