"It is a sign of the weakness of your overall position that you repeatedly try to score points on an irrelevancy, while making unsubstantiated claims"
It's the ButtersSuki way.
I'll condemn Vradakar for lots of things, his poor leadership of the country (outside of the initial Covid phase, in fairness), his poor leadership in his various Departments, his poor leadership of his own party. I'm not too familiar with either of the incidents you mention, and I couldn't be arsed on reading up on them to allow myself to give a sensible opinion. So I'm not going to comment on those incidents.
As I previously explained, having looked at the emails, and the various responses (given that it took a fair bit of digging and pestering to get the matter resolved), the effort involved in redacting the personal information, which makes up most of those communications, would be too much. I don't give a toss whether you believe me. It is a sign of the weakness of your overall position that you repeatedly try to score points on an irrelevancy, while making unsubstantiated claims about non-personal matters (like the 'many opinion pieces' you mentioned) yourself.
Perhaps he'll do that when you provide evidence to back up your comments on the amount of tax paid by Joe Duffy
But I'm guessing you don't actually have any, do you? Or feel free to prove me wrong
Btw, I wasn't asking you to disvlose the nature or the content of your emails with the social media platform, or indeed the whole thread of same. Just a few screenshots detailing your complaint and a response from them would be sufficient. No need to breach any confidentiality at all by doing that.
But I'm guessing you don't actually have any of the above, do you? Or feel free to prove me wrong.
So you condemn Leo on his various use of "private information" as a means to throw mud at hit opponents then?
Did you miss the bit where I explicitly said “Privacy rights are not conditional on lack of hypocrisy.”?
And here comes the Calvary lol.
The implication from your post is clearly thus.
Who said that others aren’t entitled to privacy?
He has presented as much evidence of this as you have to back up your assertion that Joe Duffy pays "FOCK ALL" tax.
So Leo is entitled to privacy, but others aren’t. Ok.
Are you surprised that matters relating to removal of a video are confidential? I wouldn't have been looking to remove the video if there wasn't confidentiality issues. I have lots of evidence here, but I'm not going to share it wit you.
'Many an opinion piece'? Don't suppose you'd like to give any examples of these many opinion pieces where it came up? It's a bit strange that the only example you reference is the one that contradicts your position, given that Callan said;
“Yeah, I just think it would be unfair and we literally made an editorial decision we are not going to do that and there are plenty of political issues, professional issues around that are far more right for comedy than anything like that so we didn’t touch it at all.”
Vradakar's double-standards and hypocrisy are entirely irrelevant. Privacy rights are not conditional on lack of hypocrisy. He's entitled to privacy of his private life, regardless of how he behaved in the past.
lol - confidential. Good one. 🤣🤣🤣 You have no evidence because it didn’t happen.
yes it came up in many and opinion piece regarding his re-assumption of the office of the Taoiseach and an interview with Oliver Callan’s regarding his sketch show too. Callan and Leo have previous form - they are far from friends - but Callan said he chose not to cover it in a sketch as it was basically too easy, he did allude to it however in the week before last’s episode as “the thing we’ll pretend didn’t happen”
Evidence re. Rules of open relationships? Now you are going both facetious and ridiculous. Are you suggesting these are a written set of rules?
The only one suggesting loyalty to Varadkar is you, I haven’t suggested it, nor did I assume anything. It is however relevant as Leo can’t gave it both ways - he can’t claim privacy when it’s him but throw private matters at others when he feels like it. Or do you fail to see the double standards and the hypocrisy in that?
Wrong again. I have evidence, but I'm not going to share it with you, because it is confidential.
Do you have evidence to support your claim about open relationships?
Do you have evidence to support your claim that 'it came up in many places' over the weekend? Did you mean in the media or not?
I avoided answering the question because 1) it assumed that I was some kind of loyal defender of Vradakar, and 2) it has no relevance to the discussion about privacy of the nightclub video.
In other words you have no evidence. Right then, thought so.
It did actually come up in many places over the weekend, but not sure what that has to do with my post? I also never said anything about it affecting an election result either way - not sure why you’re directing that at me?
And of course you avoid answering the question.
It will come back to haunt FG and Leo. I suppose they were short of time, but could have seized the nettle and used the changeover to put up Harris or Coveney as Taoiseach with a reasonable excuse of rotating. Unless it was specified that it had to be Leo in the original coalition agreement. Micheál Martin & FF have come well out of the arrangement so far overall.
Funnily enough, I do have the email correspondence, from about five years ago. I've had a quick look, and there's probably about an hour's work involved in redacting, name, all the links, all the references, all the email addresses and more. So to be honest, I can't be arsed.
Do you have evidence of your claim that the first rule of open relationships (and specifically of Vradakar's open relationship) is that you don't mess around in public?
That's how this works, right? We all have to produce evidence of everything?
You didn't so much spell out the question as actually stating a question which wasn't there in the first place. But it seems to be premised on a fundamental misunderstanding of my position. I'm not here to defend Vradakar or tell you what a great guy he is. If there's a thread attacking him for his policy failures and his leadership failures, I'll be first in there to have a go at him. This issue isn't impacted by anything he said about the Shinners. It doesn't matter what he said - his snogging in a nightclub is still an entirely private matter, and of no relevance.
It didn't seem to come up in Irish media this weekend. It appears to be of very little interest to anyone except your good self. The idea that it will be a significant feature of the next election in two years time is a stretch.
Another Fanning’s fabliest fifty coming soon.
Pointing out that the Sunday Independent’s sources’ bottoms are just as lovely as the other papers’.
What the fuerhke is this crap with Fanning and Wilson all about.
Are they shilling some wheeze they are up to?
Lies and misinformation coming from Hezbollah.
Everyone needs to proceed with caution on this tragic incident.
We will eventually find the truth.
RIP Private Rooney.
I have to agree there, I've had that feeling since the incident resulting in the soldiers death
Derval struggling to stop some panellist speaking about the Lebanon incident.
Declan I think…..called out a journo for lazy reporting.
Lot of things have to come out about this,I feel.
Apologies for the delay in replying, I've been up the walls.
Do you have any evidence you had a video removed? You'd have at least some email correspondence, perhaps you'd care to share some of it? You can redact your name of course, but I suspect there will be no evidence except for your word.
And yes, there is a question in the last line. I'll spell it out for you this time:
Do you not see a contradiction in terms of Leo claiming something is a private matter when he used Dail privilege to attack both Pearse Doherty and Mary Lou on matters that were are also private?
For the ppl supporting Varadkar - REGARDLESS of the morality of his personal activities which ppl will make their own decisions on - the video has further undermined his authority -
He is a figure of ridicule among a large part of the population.
There is F all enthusiasm for him taking on the role of Taoiseach.
Growing unease within FG regarding him.
It is laughable that the consummate political media whore is now demanding privacy...
His enemies both here and abroad will replay and retweet the video all during his hopefully short tenure as Taoiseach.
All in all, the incident is yet another example of his piss poor judgement when let out on his own without the ever present “minders”.
He is totally unsuited to the role and the sooner he is kicked out the better - he can then roll around the nightclubs propositioning men to his hearts content.
Do you think you'd have any better than a snowballs chance in hell in getting a video removed from a social media platform?
I recall getting a video removed from YouTube around 2018. Different circumstances, no snogging, no nightclubs. It took a while to navigate through the YT processes, but I got there in the end.
Do you seriously think it was removed without some input from his office? Seriously?
Objection, asking witness to speculate, your honour.
Do you know how hard it is to get anything removed from a social media platform?
(I’m not saying him snogging the guy was reckless, I’m saying his behaviour is.) Do you really not see or understand the difference here?
His behaviour was snogging a guy in a nightclub. That's what it is all about, surely?
Do you know anyone in an open relationship?
Yes.
Do you honestly think his Strat Comm PR minions were delighted when this became public or something?
Strategic Communications group was disbanded, around 2019 I think. I've no idea what they thought, so I don't see any value in speculating.
Are you saying there are none (behavioural standards) that accompany that office?
Already answered in the thread.
Do you not understand that people can discuss the man and his behaviours without it descending into gossip?
I understand it is theoretically possible, but based on the gossipy nature of your previous posts, it doesn't seem very likely in this case.
Or that people can have entirely fact based conversations?
Yes, that is indeed possible. But speculation about the nature of his open relationship and the details of who allegedly got the video removed are not entirely fact based, or vaguely fact based. They are gossip.
On Leo playing the privacy card:
Utterly predictable to see him play the privacy card too. Pearse Doherty’s run in with the law wasn’t a private matter was it, and Mary Lou’s house doesn’t seem to be private either?
Is there a question here?
Questions I've asked that you've avoided include (but are not limited to):
That's a lot of questions I've asked you that you've assiduously avoided. Would you care to reply to each of those questions now?
Envy? What on earth are you on about? That’s some leap. Did it ever occur to you that people are happy in their chosen careers and aren’t envious of others? Now those who criticize his performance are envious of him? Next we’ll be jealous because some of us are straight and he’s gay, 🤷♂️🙄
i have asked many direct questions to and of you, and they’re there over the last few pages in blank and white for all to see. You’re showing yourself up very badly here by claiming I haven’t.
It’s perfectly obvious which of my posts contain questions for you, questions you continue to avoid.
Other medics, huh? You don't think maybe the green-eyed monster of envy is biasing any of the conversations, by any chance?
I know absolutely nothing about how, why or when the video got removed. But you're the one claiming to be having fact-based discussions on the one hand while pumping out unsubstantiated gossip about how the video got removed on the other hand. Forgive me for thinking that perhaps your little chat wasn't entirely fact-based?
I did go back at one stage and see if I could work out what questions you want me to answer, and all I could see what rhetoric. Is there something specific you'd like me to cover?
No, I told you about one rule. Singular, not plural.
I never said they were my “mates”, they are colleagues. We work in the medical profession btw, some of my colleagues would have been in university with Leo and on placement with him. Some of my colleagues are also gay. I’m guessing you’re probably shocked that I know some gay people, right? 🙄
Tell me then how it was removed seeing as you seem to know so much about it? Or are you really naive enough to think no pressure was exerted?
Finally for now, are you capable of answering any questions or do you expect me to continue to answer all of yours without returning the courtesy?
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