You're being very generous to say we've got half the equation
Other countries that give a damn about their population are mandating things like minimum number of EV chargers in petrol stations, minimum power per charger and card payments
Meanwhile we still can't actually exchange money for EV charging, have to keep a library of charging cards and apps
I assume the idea is that any petrol stations that don't convert over to EV charging hubs will go out of business and be replaced with charging hubs
I'm all for free market but its hardly a free market when a commercial user is forced to buy a vehicle that can't do the job. Surely a ban in ICE results in a decreased requirement for fuel pumps and there should be some mandate to replace them with charging to support the new transport needs.
It just seems like we have one half of the equation and not the other.
In the free market we trust
Which is to say there's no plan worth speaking about
Is there a public network charging goal to support the ICE ban. I know for many people it doesn't matter but for people who's job is on the road, service engineers, reps etc reliable fast charging will be required.
It's also a better goal, the million EVs was becoming unachievable without scrapping a load of perfectly good vehicles that are nowhere near end of life.
@McGiver - "set another pretend goal you can't meet (100% EV sales by 2030)"
Agree with most of the rest of your post, but I'd have thought that one was easily achievable by just banning the sales of any combustion cars by 2030? Should have been 2025 anyway.
So the clown transport emmision reduction policy of the clown government is out.
As previously reported the target of one million electric vehicles on our roads by 2030 is being dropped in favour of ensuring a third of the total vehicles are electric, with the aim of 100pc of new vehicle registrations being EVs by 2030. There will also be a goal for EVs to make up 20pc of the total LGV fleet along with 95,000 commercial EVs.
Set a goal of 1M EVs by 2030 in 2015, then pretend you can meet it for 7 years while doing absolutely nothing for it, then with a stroke of a magic wand reduce the goal to a half, and set another pretend goal you can't meet (100% EV sales by 2030) and keep going. Comedy gold.
But it's also sad and disappointing. Ireland is probably the easiest place to roll out EVs in Europe (bar micro islands) being a small island with a relatively small distances between population centres (vs Norway or Sweden) and no through/transit traffic, and with the highest wind energy potential in EU which could be a huge synergy with EVs...
All the presently suggested transport emmision reduction solutions are unrealistic barring a massive investment in public transport (underground, light rail) which won't happen. Bicycles? Remove parking and give nothing in return? Walking?
Car parking curbs and cutting mileage by 20% among Coalition plans to reduce emissions
“Sources said that measures are being considered to improve the national infrastructure for electric vehicle (EV) charging, including a residential sharing scheme and a pilot programme for a shared charging smartphone app, as well as regional and local authority-level plans for accessible and low-cost charging.
Financial incentives for EV purchase will be reviewed, with a plan for an “en route” high-powered charging network, while a scheme for so-called “destination charge points” is to be developed in the likes of sports clubs, community centres and state-operated visitor sites.”
Did you buy that brand new?
If he’s following standard Tyre Extinguisher procedure, the tyres aren’t damaged. They just have air let out and need to be pumped. They won’t be going to landfill for this.
It's vandalism with a note, I doubt the guy doing it had his opinions about cars suddenly changed in recent months
If anything he's causing more pollution because a bunch of tyres are probably going to landfill now which have plenty of life left
But the story behind it is quite newsworthy isn't it? It's not run of the mill vandalism as we know it.
If you ever needed proof that the world revolves around South Dublin; a dozen cars vandalised is considered newsworthy
There's parts of the city where that would be called a quiet evening 😜
I think I have an idea what MightyMunster does in his spare time
Ha, don't you know that internet discussions are where all the world's problems are debated and solved 😂
Nearly 60% of registrations this year are SUV, I would say that manufacturers and also I am sure these buyers don't care about some silly hatred of a slightly higher, slightly less streamlined car.
If your primary concern is to discourage SUVs then you would need to seriously nip the EV SUV in the bud., ID4 being the best selling EV in Ireland. Reducing the EV grant threshold might be a starting point.
Gets rid of ice SUVs though, which is the vast majority at the moment
It's an internet forum, that's what we do, or to give it it's original name a discussion board, we discuss, debate, argue!
This is where I agree. VRT is already a large stick on new cars, and VAT too is higher especially on EVs compared to other countries.
This is like the thread going on about banning pitbulls.
Dont stress it lads, you won't be involved in the decision whatever it is.
Motor tax will stay low for everything with low tailpipe emissions in my opinion, ICE and EV and everything in between.
With the price of new vehicles now, VRT and VAT is where you are being hit and hit hard.
That doesn't achieve your stated goal of discouraging SUVs.
Is that the petrol exhaust ok and the literal zero emissions diesel with dpf and adlue not ok? Or are all fossils the same but EV SUVs are fine? Or do you subscribe to (possibly the worst argument I've ever seen made on boards) a tax on suv.
The big smoky exhaust on the back
What a dopey comment, is that a serious suggestion, GoogleMaps put that as 2.5hrs round trip a day, apart from the fact taking my life into account on those roads and blind spots and in all types of weather. Get real.
As mentioned taxes drive decisions and may impact buying choices and usage choices.
For example we priced the train Dublin to Galway for a group. Instead we decided to bring ICE as it was cheaper and easier if not green.
At time of purchase we need ways for people to opt for more efficient/smaller cars. Taxing engine size resulted in small engines with turbos. Lots of 1299 engines as 1300 was higher bracket.
Options, weight, motor power, battery, wltp range, length, room inside, cost as in vat or vrt based on % of cost.
After purchase annual fixed amount such as motor tax linked to car but not usage.
Then usage based, mileage submitted each year at tax time, submitted by car, submitted by nct, checked at Garda checkpoint etc.
City usage versus urban usage as in inside M50 would be one rare, Donegal another rate, newer cars have gps logging and older cars could be retrofitted with black box or pay a penalty or be banned from cities by reg.
Tolls, price of tolls could be linked to car efficiency, there is already plans for multiple tolls on M50 based on number of junctions you travel. In the UK many cities have a variable toll to enter the city centre, such a London etc.
All the above is politically sensitive. Many people are locked into long commutes, fixed home with mortgage, stuck in a job.
Personally I moved home closer to work to avoid commuting, but it's not an option for most.
The right taxes can drive a change in behaviour. Taxing work parking spaces per day used may drive employers and employees wanting to work from home and this could be a really big impact and support green parties hopes. It's politically sensitive and these days planning rules intend not having enough work parking spaces for all the staff, so creating a shortage of spaces through planning. Similar is done with new apartments, only one or less spaces per apartment. I don't agree with all this, but I can crawl on my hands and knees to work. I haved about 18,000 euro over 4 years of commuting on fuel and tolls. Depreciation on the car is about 2000 per year.
I see your point regarding usage, but I don't see how it's practical without some big brother style surveillance system, which the government probably doesn't have the ability or interest to develop
I mean you could probably accomplish the same thing in principle by making every motorway and N road a toll road and just have a flat charge for road tax
No because I don't think whether a vehicle is labelled an SUV by a marketing department is important when it comes to taxation. I don't see the point of a taxation system that penalises a Dacia Duster (SUV) over a Bentley Continental (Luxury Saloon). Similarly I don't believe that arbitrary vehicle segments (A, B, C etc) are useful whilst their definition largely comes from positioning within a manufacturers range rather than a particular physical property.
Instead we should be basing taxation off engineered properties such as power usage per km, distance travelled, and initial purchase price. We cover the initial purchase price using the VRT system. I'd apply mileage bands based on a standardised efficiency rating such as WLTP, and then assess road usage either via the NCT system or a future tech solution. The road usage element should seek to substitute for the current level of taxation applied on fuel following the principal of polluter pays.
But you agree in principle that we should really, really, penalise hard, those who chose to drive "SUV" type vehicles. I mean big, opulent, inefficient, expensive & wholly unnecessary cars?
That seems to be the prevailing ideology?
Steelmanning here. I'm even questioning my thinking here to be honest.
That's really easy then, you implement your new taxation system then the next day I sell the same car as a family hatch. Congratulations you've achieved your goal of removing all SUVs from Irish roads.
