A pit bull dog below in Wexford the latest episode of a child been savaged . Are these dogs suitable for pets .
PS The only people with Pitbulls or similar in our town are involved in drug dealing and or general criminality.
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No that's horseshit. Look at the Americans stats and try claim that it is not partly the fault of the breed as well.
I have every interest in the Irish stats hence why I asked for them.
As the mother of 2 young kids I find it ridiculous that you would think ANYONE would find a child being almost killed by a dog ok.
My point all along has been you ban Pitbulls the children who might have been attacked by a Pitbull will just be attacked another breed because you haven't addressed the real reason for the attacks and that's bad dog ownersip. Banning individual breeds solves nothing other than to appease some short sighted people.
Yeah they might get savaged by Labradors instead like these two cases in which a so called safe family breed was the culprit.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-takes-down-mirrors-home-20333269
Restricting/banning breeds is grand in theory but if someone enters a persons house and attacked as what happens in a lot of cases regardless of the breed, the family/home owners dog attacks a visiting child, they don't get done for manslaughter, child endangerment, neglect or whatever though nor will the parents of the last 2 fatal dog attacks in this country from 2020 and 2021 as they should if you want a just society, yeah its horrible they lost kids but if you're going to call for the owners of dogs who have done nothing wrong to
If you think some banned drivers aren't still driving around you're very wrong, plenty are driving around.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/more-breeds-could-added-irelands-28685982?int_source=mantis_rec&int_medium=web&int_campaign=more_like_this
Minister knows there is a list thats banned, news to me as the law itself calls it the RESTRICTED BREEDS LIST not the BANNED DOG BREED LIST.
It's important, particularly on the enforcement side, people need to control their dogs and they need to be aware of the dangers of some particular breeds.
^The first part of his quote too, the lack of enforcement and the authorities dropping the ball with regards a previous report of the very dog that attacked A.Mizan means they're not even bothered to do that in the first place.
As for the taste of blood myth.
https://samthedogtrainer.com/articles/does-a-dog-become-vicious-if-it-bites-and-tastes-blood/#:~:text=Police%20dogs%20regularly%20bite%20people,blood%20thing%20is%20a%20myth.
Now explain why every police dog in the world isn't attacking their handlers after taking down a suspect with most likely giving the suspect a bite drawing blood, or is it because they're just not Pitbulls 😂.
You have no interest in the stats.
You think it is ok if only some children are maimed by pitbulls. Ban the things.
What an utterly bizarre line of argument
Just ban the **** things. We lose absolutely nothing and maybe a few kids don't get maimed
I think the selective blindness might be yours.
I didn't ask what the stats were for Waterford and Wexford, I asked (another poster) how many of the 1,700 (human) dog attacks since 2016 were confirmed Pitfall attacks. You quoted an article where I could only find (at a stretch) 89 out of the 1,705 to be put down to Pitbulls.
You say the stats are easy to find and at the same time you say it's not your fault they are not all there, which is it?
If you're having a bad day and have no interest in answering questions then maybe don't reply to a question posed to someone else.
To be honest the poster is not looking very hard or has selective blindness to details.
I gave you Irish states from the newspapers which are very easy to find on google, it''s not my fault if they are not all there hense the go to the council to get the numbers. I posted the stats for Waterford and wexford on the 5th which is over a week ago. On the 5th someone else asked you have you read the stats and you said you did on the 6th. You then went on to say to someome else that the stats are skewed, wrong because people can't id a pit bull. For the last day or so we have been discussing Irish stats, you brought in Cesar the dog whisperer as a shining example of whatever which was shot down in flames. Again you are trying your best to say the stats are of no relevance.
I'm pretty sure that councils and those providing the details are not just pulling the numbers from air. 1705 attacks including the attacks in Wexford. It's plain English in the article.
"Between 2016 and 2021, there were 4,009 attacks involving a range of breeds on livestock, dogs and humans reported to gardaí. This includes 1,705 attacks on humans, with the number of attacks rising each year."
And yes I am getting p*ssed off due to a bad dad and asking questions that that already has been answered is not helping.
I asked you for some Irish stats as all I'd seen quoted were from different countries. Am I not allowed to query those stats?
And 89 for the whole country.
If there's an issue in one county maybe look at the reasons for that.
That's a problem some people that own them don't really understand dogs.
Incredible that people are dog owners and not aware about dogs getting a taste for blood, the immediate effect on them, the long lasting effect on them.
The difference between viewing a dog as a working animal, understanding it as animal and infantilizing them.
The difference between a dog in a hunt with the experience of blooding an animal is very noticeable.
Mad that something so obvious to all only a short time ago is now doubted.
Not that poster’s fault that the stats have obvious gaps
Farmer on the RTE 6 news talking about dogs getting the taste for blood now! Reporter seems to be in agreement.
That's 53 from one county.
No they really aren't , but sadly no amount of stats or horrific attacks will change some posters views.
I doubt that a ban would be fully enforced but at least it would be there to make it harder to keep such dogs in the face of public opinion. Public opinion is against such dogs.
Farmers are against them too.
And you don't want to ban or want to know the stats. . You don't even bother to look up the details ,just quote bits and poo poo it.
It's not me who wants to ban an entire breed on the back of little knowledge
Why don't you get onto every council and ask them. Instead of just going on and on trying to downplay attacks. It doesn't matter if it's human, dog or something else. The f*ucking dog attacked.
Even adding in those 53 (and they weren't all restricted breeds) there are still 1607 attacks unaccounted for.
Maybe before banning breeds we should see if the existing restrictions can be enforced? There is absolutely no enforcement of them at all right now, and if at the very least these breeds were always muzzled and on the lead in public then we would have an idea if banning these dogs would even do anything.
But to be honest, if we can't enforce muzzle and leash laws (or even mandatory microchippig & licences) then would a ban be enforced?
Wexford County Council has records of 53 attacks on people and 53 attacks on sheep in the last five years. “Most attacks involve restricted breeds such as Japanese Akitas, Alsatians, Rottweilers, bull terriers,” a spokesperson said.
I live I the suburbs and as I said I've reported one owner 8/9 times in the last few months. It says everything about ownership and enforcement
The 54 in Wexford just says incidents so I'm not sure what they mean by that or if they would be included in the 1705 human attacks? But of course we know there was at least 1.
12 in Waterford, 3 in Louth, 7 in Tipp, 9 in Sligo, 1in Fingal, 11 in Rathdown (though it doesn't specify person attack but I'll add it in anyway), DCC didn't have a breakdown of breed and 1 in Cork so that 45 out 1705 attacks can be confrimed to be Pitbulls, it'd be interesting to see the break down of the other breeds.
Read the thread and you will see some posters defending pitbulls to the end.
I am a dog owner and a dog lover but those breeds are not suitable to urban environments.
How can they justify this? Seriously.
Manged to get the 1,700 but didn't bother with the rest of the indo. . I just googled dog attacks Ireland and the 2nd story down is about attacks and it's been there fro the 5th december. I already put up wexford and waterford numbers a few days back.
In Co Wexford, where nine-year-old Alejandro Miszan was mauled by a pit bull cross in a housing estate just over a week ago, there have been 54 incidents involving pit bulls since 2017.
In Co Waterford, there have been 123 calls to the council about pit bulls and 29 attacks recorded, including 12 on people, 15 on other dogs and two on cats.
In Co Louth, there were 22 incidents recorded. A dog, cat and rabbit were killed, and 2 adults and a child were bitten. The majority were attacks on other dogs.
In Tipperary, the council has received 7 complaints of attacks involving pit bulls since 2016. Earlier this year, a young woman was left with lifelong scars after she was attacked by a group of pit bull terriers while out walking her two dogs in Carrick-on-Suir, Co Tipperary. One of her dogs didn't survive.
14 attacks have been recorded in Sligo, including 8 on adults, 1 on a child, 3 on other dogs and2 on livestock.
South Dublin County Council declined to comment, while Fingal County Council said it started recording the breeds involved in attacks only this year. There have been 8 attacks reported in which pit bull terriers were involved. 7 of these were attacks on other dogs but in which 2 people received injuries. 1 attack was a dog-on-person attack.
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council has recorded 11 attacks involving pit bulls.
Dublin City Council said it had received 80 complaints about aggressive dogs this year but it did not provide a breakdown of breeds involved.
Some county councils such as Leitrim and Cork City said they had no record of any attacks, while other local authorities (Cavan, Wicklow and Mayo) had 3 or fewer.
Between 2016 and 2021, there were 4,009 attacks involving a range of breeds on livestock, dogs and humans reported to gardaí. This includes 1,705 attacks on humans, with the number of attacks rising each year.
In 2016, Paola Sahovic was attacked by her dog – which was a cross between a pit bull and a mastiff – at her home in Mitchelstown, Co Cork. Doctors had to carry out emergency surgery to save her arm.
In 2020, a seven-year-old boy died after being attacked by Rottweilers in a house in Dublin.
That same year, a 12-year-old boy was attacked by a mixed-breed Staffordshire bull terrier while playing football with friends near his home in Dublin. Darryl Brady-Graham suffered severe facial injuries and needed counselling after the horrific incident in Clonsilla.
The didn't mention the waterford baby that was killed in 2021
Today's headline is not mention of dog breed.
Gardaí are investigating two separate incidents in which up to 70 sheep were killed by dogs in recent days in counties Offaly and Kildare.
In Moneygall, on the Offaly-Tipperary border, up to 50 lambs on the farm of John Healy were killed in a dog attack.
1700 dog attacks in Ireland since 2016, how many were confirmed Pitbull attacks, what were the circumstances surrounding the attacks?? How were they reported and by who???
Do we chip away banning breed after breed until the penny drops that its people who are the problem.
Pretty much this, and pitbulls are way out ahead on this.
Ideally we’d be able to have a functioning system whereby anyone who wants a dog on the restricted list needs to be vetted and licensed, with any unlicensed dogs removed from the owner and possibly destroyed.
But we don’t have a functioning system. Gardai do nothing, dog wardens don’t have enough funding, owners face no personal charges for having these breeds and for any damage they cause.
So if the government can’t enforce the rules, these breeds should be banned until they can, I think. Any pitbull with a reckless owner is just another disaster waiting to happen.
