Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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Yes, it seems that it was Sophie's.
No, I don’t have a link, but have a look around yourself.
She said, as she was going to the tip with the rubbish, she met Bailey and Jules on the lane by the caravan as they made their way to the scene.
yes but no evidence he was inside. Itwas her blood. it could have been her trying to get back in. if he hit her and she touched her head then the door
Yes it was confirmed as female, probably Sophie’s I believe . My theory on that blood smudge and the blood found in the lawn in front of the house is this;
Shirley Foster drove past the body, and had no idea what it was she had just passed. In fact she said at first she thought it was someone playing a joke. Did she go closer to investigate, and move something to see what she was looking at, and transfer some blood to her glove? She must have realised what what it was before screaming for Alfie. She said she returned to her house around the rear of Sophie’s house past the rear door. Did she try the back door as she passed by? When she told Alfie what she saw, did Alfie go to investigate before phoning the police? Did he get close enough to pick up some blood and transfer it to the door handle as he checked the house? I found it odd that one of them (I don’t know which) pointed out this blood smudge to the police.
Seems unlikely to me. You find a body and you go to her house first instead of contacting the Gardai?
She didn’t know the body was Sophie
i do not remember reference to a caravan in relation to Shirley. Its not in A Dream of Death or Death in December or DPP report. DPP report does not mention Shirley only Alfie
i think it is more likely she was hit first at the door and tried to get back in
Even if so why go to a non national with poor English first?
Shirley didn`t approach the body. My understanding is that when she realized it was a dead body, she honked on the horn, Alfie didn`t hear it, so she abandoned the car and went back up to her house. I seem to remember that she went up across the paddock in front of Sophie`s house but then that would have taken her by Sophie`s back door anyway. Alfie went and had a look but said he didn`t go close to the body either. Then he knocked on Sophie`s door. That`s working from memory so I stand corrected.
The Gardai fceked up the case big time imho, whether it was to cover up for one of their own or just stitch up Bailey
Fresh eyes from non corrupt Gardai could find new evidence
Because the house was right next to the scene maybe?
Remember there were few mobiles back then so it was a landline that would be used to ring the Gardai.
So she had to go to some house and that was the closest.
There’s a body of a female lying battered to death down by the gate.
There is a lone female staying in the house 30 yards away. The fact she was a non National with poor English is no reason not to check on her. Shirley was a non national.
The nearest occupied house is a mile away.
Excepting her own next door/
The house she had just left? Why would she check there?
She was heading back to her own house to alert Alfie and call the police, the route she chose took her by the back door of Sophie’s house. She may have tried the door in passing to check on Sophie?
Look at the absolute state of him and then what he comes out with immediately after the Garda press conference.
He's a pitiful excuse for a man and seems more determined to prove it as the years roll by.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41027120.html
Revels in the notoriety and arguably that he got away with imo
pathetic excuse . if he has information why does he not tell them?.it only takes a phone call
Speaking to the Irish Examiner Mr Bailey said: “I am fully cognisant of the cold case review, which I had initially called for
what a muppet
i agree
Doesn't bailey always apparently have some useful information
And always wants a cold case review
But never actually supplies gardai any of this useful information
maybe the recommendation will be to charge him. then it's up to the dpp
Charge him with what exactly?
I guess that's the question.
There is no question. The DPP have said on multiple occasions that they aren't looking at him. The man may be an woman-beating attention seeking prick but there is nothing to tie him to the murder.
if they charged him ,or recommend charge,*the gardai could say they had done their review, made a recommendation and its not their fault if the DPP won't follow up.
. They say they have new witnesses who may give evidence more than there is now. And maybe they have new forensic evidence linking him.
*Think it up to DPP in the final analysis
If they believed the scratches on Bailey came from Sophie, presumably they took her fingernail clippings into evidence. If she got a decent scratch at the attacker you can normally obtain DNA. Only way this case will be solved is with DNA.
Probably or maybe a forgotten fingerprint. In any case a forensic element would be needed now.
'Superintendent Joseph Moore from Bantry Garda Station told The Journal that new witnesses have come forward in Ireland, France and the UK since the cold case review began in June, alongside additional witnesses that have been identified by Gardaí. He said that Gardaí still needed to interview new witnesses in France.'
I can understand that there may be new witnesses in Ireland but how in the name of feck are there new witnesses in France and the UK? Are they foreign nationals/Irish people who who were in Cork around the time of the murder but have since moved to the UK/France?
And how reliable as a witness is someone who hasn't come forward before now? I mean the incident took place the best part of 30 years ago.
Strange they haven't re-interviewed Bailey yet?
Either they have no interest in him, and are following a different line of enquiry?
Or are they looking to consolidate new circumstantial evidence against Bailey, looking to tie up all loose ends before bringing him in?
Strikes me as odd, they held a national press conference looking for people to come forward, yet the man down in Cork saying he has information is being ignored.....
Or.... Is there mind games at play here??
The Gards say they know there are other people out there with information, and request them to contact the team straight away.. Bailey may be trying to hedge his bets here by stating that he has information of interest (hence, seen not to deny it at a later date).
Very interesting days ahead....
The only info Bailey could have that would be useful to the Gardai was if he went in to them and said he was 'the wan wot dunnit'. Anything else is Bailey just looking for attention.
I don't think there'll be interesting days ahead. This will die a death because the Gardai have no proof (very little evidence against Bailey) that Bailey did it and they don't seem to have enough proof to charge anyone else either. And even if they did try Bailey, I can't see him being convicted based on the shennanigans of the Gardai. Another reason I can't see it going to trial is because Bailey can reasonably argue that he can't get a fair trial at this stage.
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