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Who thinks Sean Quinn is a great businessman now?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Ginger83




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭handlemaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭handlemaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Haven't watched it but prince Andrew made the same mistake

    Nothing to gain by getting involved in documentary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Ginger83




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I know people like that ( dishonest, unscrupulous cowboys) and they are still quite popular in the community for the simple reason they are seed , breed and generation

    they would certainly command more affection than any honest decent blow in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭Motivator


    “Surrounded by yes men”?

    The man is/was a total control freak. He said himself on the documentary that he should have looked for advice but hindsight is fantastic for him now. He listened to nobody but himself, nobody is to blame for any decision that scumbag made only the man himself.

    You mustn’t have very high standards as to what you think makes a good businessman. He went bust and should be in jail having blown billions. I’d say you’re not much of a businessman if he’s what you admire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I agree and there are also loads of politicians, bankers and businessmen who should be locked away with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,761 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I see he's still talking about himself in the third person.

    Obviously still not taking advice from anyone.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sunday papers are reporting how upset Sean Quinn is with the documentary. He apparently thought it would just be his story. It’s an utterly staggering level of delusion that he thought that RTE would air just his own narrative and not involve all the players



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  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To be fair, Ireland is (I think) the only country that actually jailed some of the key bankers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    This quote from Abraham Lincoln comes to mind regarding Sean Quinn and the Quinn Country documentary (replace "Fool" with "Crook") ..


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  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The documentary was a PR disaster for Quinn. No doubt about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    You could say the same mistake he made with Anglo

    The advice would have been not to do the documentary if he got any



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,093 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Still amazes that he made that mistake with Anglo

    The likes of Warren Buffet and JP McManus would have seen that danger a mile off

    As Clint Eastwood famously said a man always has to know his limitations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Senature


    I find it bizarre how his admirers and supporters describe him as a self-made, successful businessman - yet when it comes to his mistakes/failures such as with Quinn Insurance or Anglo, it's the fault of others - bankers, government, regulators, pick a card...



  • Posts: 33,400 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was interesting to hear him talking about how he met with Fitzpatrick and Drumm from Anglo and had decided that they were good guys. You hear the same nonsense from Trump about who's on his nice list and who's on his naughty list - reducing business to nonsense gut instinct. Musk made similar mistakes with Twitter, failing to do any kind of professional due diligence and going with his gut instinct instead.

    These guys end up believing their own PR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    😂

    Ahh sitting on internet starting to start a fight with stranger 🤔

    Business"man"? never said anything about myself being a businessman or businesswoman.

    Quinn built a hugely successful business from nothing. He took the word of a couple of bank people who lied to cover up. Plenty of others got caught by the same bank just not to the levels that Quinn got caught

    Instead of shouting about the victim maybe focus on the culprits

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭briangriffin


    You might not like the man but for o er 30 years before he made a stupid gamble on one bank he brought thousands of jobs and millions of profits to several manufacturing companies in an industrial wasteland, he started out with very little and built his business's. He brought lots of employment and profits to the region and country but will be remembered for the many mistakes he made afterwards. Its a sad story for the country ultimately we are all paying for his mistakes, its very sad but more sad to see so many revel in another man's misery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Seems the real victim in all of this is The Paymaster, who is not Sean Quinn and has no connection with him. Fair play to Sean Quinn for speaking up for this innocence defenseless person, The Paymaster, who is not Sean Quinn and whose Sean Quinn condemns. Sean Not the Paymaster Quinn must be a very kind man to speak up for someone who he has no connection with and doesn't know and whose activities he does not even support.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/priest-who-condemned-paymaster-behind-kevin-lunney-abduction-says-sean-quinn-gave-him-rollicking-42194649.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    If he was that motivated by bringing employment to an area in much need of jobs ?, you’d think he’d have supported new management which would help retain and maintain jobs in the area , instead he did the opposite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Jackiebt


    This was a great watch, I think he came off worse than he intended. This country was full of crooks like him and still is maybe to a lesser extent. He was just greedy and got caught out. Now, lets do Denis O'Brien next please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭kaymin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Dinarius


    If this had happened in the USA, Quinn would have been wiped out financially as would all those who were left vulnerable through their connections with him. No one in the USA would be paying a 2% levy on their insurance policies. It’s Darwinian in its ruthlessness. But, it’s not the world’s biggest economy for nothing.

    The Quinn saga typifies the vulnerability of being a tiny economy where some can become too big to fail. The state can be held to ransom.

    We in Ireland have a history of privatising profits and socialising losses. (You may recall someone in the beef industry whom we bailed out twice and is now letting the former BofI head office to the HSE for top dollar, having bought it from NAMA.)

    The parallels between Quinn and Musk are interesting. Hugely astute and successful in one area, they then remortgaged the farm to take on areas they probably shouldn’t have touched. Hubris.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Indeed. He basically wanted to take over Anglo, to add a bank to his portfolio of investments. Nothing necessarily wrong with that ambition in and of itself. He was never big to get even try to get control of the likes of AIB or BOI. He spins in now by putting all the blame on Fitz and Drumm, "oh they pulled the wool over me eyes, I'm just an innocent hard working country boy, woe is me." Load of aul spin and nonsense. It speaks volumes that the general public, judging by the comments on forums like this, who certainly don't hold the likes of Drumm or Fitz in any great regard, are not buying his tale of woe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭Motivator


    He took ‘the word’ of a couple of bank people. If you’re such a great fella, as you say he is, you don’t take the word of anyone when it comes to blowing billions. The man is a moron. The fact you admire him says everything I need to know about you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    You need to watch the documentary again and listen to what is being said.

    Quinn kept buying Anglo shares even when Anglo told him not to.

    Through he's success he obviously believed in himself and developed a god complex and thought he could do no wrong. He's just blaming everybody else, think he still owned assets when bankrupt, and his lack of self-reflection was shocking.

    Also, the constant talking about himself in the third person says a lot about him too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Maybe you could point out to me where I said that Quinn was a great fellow? You seem to just jump to a conclusion without reading stuff at all. A bit like Quinn actually.



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  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just reading the article in the Indo about Quinn hiring the jet to bring them to Cheltenham.

    What happens is money changes people. And it did that to Seanie no matter what he'd have you believe. He paid a visit to the Parish Priest a few days after his sermon denouncing the paymaster. I wonder why he would have done that.

    The sign of great minds and successful people is not how they carry themselves in the good times but how they act when their backs are against the wall and things going against them. Well we all now how this has panned out.

    I believe the deal on the table from IBRC was that the family would retain ownership of the Slieve Russell and some of the pubs. Could be wrong on that. Ted and Dougal then really f**ked up over in the Ukraine or Russia. I'd imagine there has been some fallout within the family over that. With the Hotel and pubs they'd have still been relatively well off. I know they are comfortable enough but not to the level they had been born in to.

    Imagine Seanie even managed to piss people off over there.



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