I think Shamrocks lack pace in their backs. Age has caught up with Joey Holden, Darren Mullen was never the fastest nor was Evan Shefflin, Richie Reid faded badly. Darragh Corcoran was the biggest disappointment, I thought his touch was poor today. The forwards left scores out there but I would be confident that they can rectify this
Lack of a panel told. Once Kilmacud upped the pace they were out on their feet for the last 20 mins. Don't think they made one substitution? On the back of last weeks game as well. Two week break badly needed. Missed the start of the game but what was wrong with Ronan Corcoran? They badly need him if they're to have a chance
I'd still have it as a 50/50 they were poor against MLR, Ryanaghs and Thomas's in last years campaign and still delivered a performance if not result in the final.
Very poor performance from the Shamrocks. Completely overrun in the second half. Dissapointed with the Shamrocks backs in particular, Darragh Corcoran, Richie Reid, Joey Holden and Darren Mullen were totally dominated. Some poor wides and balls dropped short. Can't see them putting it up to Ballygunner, certainly not on today's display
Kilkenny Ladies minor A final played in Carlow today. Some show of support for our ladies sport
I'm more optimistic than that and feel ourselves and Galway are the nearest to Limerick.
In fact I believe we are the only two teams with a realistic chance of beating Limerick in a semi or final.
Waterford and Cork have tried and come up well short, we have beaten them and lost narrowly to them. Galway have pushed them really close last two years too. Clare drew with them twice but i believe Limerick would probably handle them comfortably in Croke Park.
I wish Browne and Carey the best, but their departures may prove beneficial to Kilkenny, giving clearer runs for Blanchfield and Corcoran, both of whom I believe will make cracking wing backs and will only strengthen the team from the starting team in 2022 AI final.
But we need to find at least one and maybe two new forwards. Billy Drennan will surely get a run in league.
You’re right. It was Eire Og
Home and away is reversed from 2022 which would mean home games vs Tipp and Dublin and away games vs Antrim, Laois and Waterford, don't know the running order though.
You'd get odd cases of lads travelling on successful teams, Rory O'Carroll moved to New Zealand in the middle of Dublin's dominance while Mccaffery and Mannion took years out 2015&16 before stepping away again in 19&21. Interesting to see if incentives were given to Morrissey if true, Tyrone sorted Cathal McShane out with a job to help stop him going to Aussie Rules, think Morrissey is an accountant so don't think anything like that would have happened.
Has anybody Kilkenny league hurling fixtures for 2023 thanks.
We ll never know the amount spent by JP on Limerick. Suffice to say its phenomenal. Nobody goes travelling whilst the cups are still being won there. Absolutely no chance.
I'd say Derek Lyng will unearth a few gems. There's always a few rough diamonds in Kilkenny. The problem is it doesn't just gel..training under 20s is light years from senior. An awful lot would have to go right for Derek to get Kilkenny back to an All Ireland in his first year. I cant see it.
Never heard of Fan lining out with Ye Faire City, he did play for Eire Og in the early 60's. In fact I think he's the last Eire Og player to win an AI. He might also have had a short stint with Foulkstown (open to correction).
His father Paddy won senior county medals with three clubs, the Village, Eire Og and Tullaroan
I had heard off a few Limerick lads, Tom Morrisey was going away too, but I'd say he was likely "persuaded" to stay.
There was a lot of chat this week about the 2 Galway senior teams costing 2 million to run last year.
Even if Galway spent close to 1 million on their senior hurling team, I would say it would be absolutely dwarfed by Limerick's spending.
If a huge part of achieving success at IC level will be dependent on having maybe 2 million to spend per annum on your senior team, Kilkenny will be in big trouble.
I think theres over 60 called in.Des dunne and daire o neill are both called in. Derek was involved for a few years at u20 so I'd say he has thrown the net over some of these.Alot of lads wont make it and while this is the first time in a long time we've lost a few lads travelling alot of lads still have the ambition to play county añd hopefully the new management will bring freshness. James maher and mikey carey could be back next spring we don't really know the ins and outs.
it's encouraging to hear the shamrocks have a large contingent and potentially ronan corcoran who has being consistently the best Club midfielder for a few years. Martin o neill is a good hurler and Mooncoin should have a few lads called in.Although relegated lisdowney had a few players who hurled well. I don't know if they went in but potentially Sean Ryan and owen wall have something to offer.Conor heary and James bergin should be pushing to get into match squads.
Obviously DJ is the big one as he walked away and came back.
But even in recent years didn't James Maher take a year out and came back in. Plenty other lads were let go and called back even over the last few years..
During Cody's time maybe but next year will be 1st time since 1998 he won't be on the line.
Nonsense shur Kiely is there 6 now isn't he. I understand the need to keep things fresh but there's no way Kilkenny would have won what they have won without Cody.
That's been the way for most of Cody's time which is a long time to be fair but the reality is there's unlikely to be any manager in charge of the senior team for more than 3 years in the near future. Personally I think the County board should bring in a term limit of 5 years on any manager going forward. It should always be freshened up.
Usually the case in Kilkenny when you walk away once you don't get a 2nd invite back
Wonder if there were many lads outside of the under 20 panel and who weren't on the senior panel last year called up?? Lyng was over the 20s for 2 years before last year so I'd imagine he would have had a good few in mind watching on from the club campaign. A lad like Des Dunne is an excellent man marker as he really proved for Danesfort this year.
Another lad I've always been impressed with is Jack Morrissey of ballyragget, even though he is in a team that has struggled over the past few years he has always stood up, massive jump from Junior to Senior Intercounty I know but I think he's definitely worth a look if he's not already in.
Alot of clubs are losing players so it's not a huge suprise players are going travelling. It's hard to blame any young lad who wants to see the other side of the world.Best of luck to conor and safe travels.iRichie leahy had a good season with the rower but we've being waiting for a few years for him to break into the team maybe a year out could refresh lads. I'm suprised myself there hasn't being a few retirements but Richie Hogan is going again next year.Alot of this years u20 panel are called in and from talking to a lad that's in its a huge step up from last year.Training with the seniors will hopefully bring these lads on.Derek knows these players and will have a decision to make around championship time wit the lads that are eligible next year.i don't think there's anyone ready to make the breakthrough.
Alot of ballyhale lads have being invited in. Lads like ronan corcoran and Evan shefflin definitely have something to offer at county level.
Alot of teams mightnt bother with the league when they see the way Waterford blew up and Limerick timed their run.One of Derek's biggest challenge will be trying to find a settled midfield pairing. Corcoran and blanchfield are in pole position for the 2 half back position. He'll have to explore center back and a few fowards like Shane Walsh can definitely force his way onto the team.
Darragh Joyce is coming home for the Christmas. I've heard he got offers in the afl but he had conversations with Derek and done fitness tests before he left.Its probably the last chance he'll get and even at that it will be very hard to get up to speed after missing so much but best of luck to him whatever he does.
Seems to be a good few men and women players going travelling at the moment, definitely a knock from Covid and the travel restrictions. On the top of my head Wexford are without Paudie Foley, Dublin Crummy and Cian O'Callaghan, Waterford Kiernan and Shane Bennett, Tipperary Brian Hogan all to travelling, alot of the people heading off seem to be teachers on career breaks.
Browne is only 26 so to say he'll never play intercounty again if he's taking a year out is a bit premature.
Slaughtneil gave Ballyhale and Ballygunner plenty of it in the 2 most recent All Ireland semi finals while its no guarantee they'll beat Dunloy, extremely disrespectful of both teams.
Ground hurling .. haha. Shur the modern defensive mantra is take it to the ground, swarm in with numbers then clear. Shur wot hope has the forward if the ball is coming in on the ground! Nuts to a monkey ger
Didn't Fan Larkin play with them for a brief spell as well?
Browne will be a loss so will Michael Carey. Richie leahy had a good club year but apparently he’s gone travelling too. Thought we’d have a retirement or two by now.
Ground hurling is dead as the proverbial dodo and is never coming back, no matter how much lads pine for it. It's as dead as overhead first time striking, goalies wearing flat caps, and the Bishop throwing in the ball in Croke Park.
Possibly I am being harsh on Kenny and Browne but there's no denying the facts they were beat decisively by Mullen and Corcoran for 22 minutes when the Village had an extra man. If we get a bump we should win the All Ireland yes, will we get one God knows. I just outlined reasons why we might get a bump. Cody was amazing and we'll never see his likes again but there's no doubt he struggled for the last 6 years more than he ever did before not all down to him but he had problems he couldn't solve.
I don't know if Derek and his team can solve the puckouts and I'm not advocating for all long or short puckouts. To be honest a puckout to your own 65 is often a better option than straight to the forward or to a corner back.
An effective puckout is as much about the movement of the outfield players as it is about the goalkeepers ability to pick the right option. If the outfield players aren't creating options with movement then the keeper has a thankless task.
Watch the Limerick puckouts. Often players are drawing their marker away from an area to create space for another Limerick player to be running into and he is usually ahead of his man to that ball, leading to safe possession and usually with few markers around to swarm him. Kilkenny rarely if ever tried this type of puckout under Cody just short or long and usually to static targets.
The Limerick puckout takes a huge amount of practice by the way and understanding from the players about what is trying to be achieved. Derek definitely didn't seem to be working a system like that last year but then again very few if any have been able too other than Limerick. Can we get to that level of coaching under Derek Lyng and do it our own way I don't know but if we can we will be a better team in 2023.
Ground hurling is a definite option but it has to be effective, the thing that's probably against it is twofold.
1. lots of not most players now play with hurls which would traditional be considered too short hard to hit the ball on the ground right with that type of hurl.
2. The skill is lost or dying and most don't have the ability to get it to where it should go.
So when you look at current ground strokes from a stats perspective the majority end up in the opposition hands and this is a no no to a modern manager where the came has become all about possessions etc.
I think it could be effective but it would require a big rethink and dedication by a team to make it effective.
Browne will be a loss. Not the best hurler in the world but very physical. Hard to see him playing intercounty after leaving.
Kilkenny have close to 10 lads in there 30s on the squad.
Cillian Buckley, Padraig Walsh, Walter Walsh, TJ Reid, Richie Hogan, Conor Fogarty, Eoin Murphy, Richie Reid maybe one or two more. Really need a few of these to go, obviously not TJ and Eoin Murphy but Kilkenny have not won an All Ireland since 2015 and really need to develop new players. Big year for likes of Richie Leahy and Paddy Deegan who have been very poor the last few years when we needed them to step up.
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